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I'm looking for a preamp that is quality sound at an affordable price. I have a Kenwood turntable that I need to connect to a newer Pioneer receiver home theater system and Klipsch speakers. Not sure what to ask or give for info so ask away.
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a phono preamp. This installs between your Kenwood 2055 turntable and the Pioneer receiver.
You plug your turntable cables into the phono preamp, and you then run two cables from your phono preamp to the Pioneer receiver inputs labelled CD, TV, or SAT.
The phono preamps are available online, and member tlea provided a good list at different price levels.
When you get the chance, look at the cartridge/needle, and see if you can make out the manufacture 's name and model. Posting a photo from your computer/mobile device can be entered in your post by selecting the blue "Upload Image" line in the posting box then clicking on "Choose File."
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mklarson, before thinking about a specific product you need to understand some basics.The cartridge is a device to electronically "read" the grove in a record. It consists of a body or housing, internal wiring and magnets, a stylus (needle) to trace the groove, and a cantilever (thin shaft) to connect the stylus to the wiring and magnets inside the cartridge body.
There are many different designs for cartridges, two of the most common are moving magnet (MM) and moving coil (MC). The electrical signal generated by the cartridge is greater in nearly all MM types. But even that is much less than the signal from a CD player, FM tuner, DVD player, or tape deck. So the phono signal needs to be boosted. It seems this is where your confusion comes in.
Before the rise in popularity of the CD almost every preamp or receiver had a special section built in (pre-preamp) to boost the gain from the cartridge and equalize the response (a separate consideration). But since so many people gave up turntables and records many manufacturers stopped including a phono section in their preamps and receivers. This trend continued with the popularity of home theaters and audio-video receivers. This is why some replies ask you to look for a phono input on your Pioneer AV receiver. If there is not a pair of inputs (L&R) labeled Phono then you will need an external device (pre-preamp) for that function. Some have been recommended by others here.
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Edits: 05/05/24
WOW! OK, I just want to hook up my old turntable to a receiver and speakers that I already have but am finding out that this is way too complicated than it used to be. Before I could just buy a turntable and amp or receiver, wire up some speakers and throw on a record. Still love that sound but don't need all the headache. I can listen by loading up a half dozen CD's, Sirius xm or bluetooth anything I want to listen to. I have a Kenwood turn table, JVC receiver, and a bunch of albums for sale. Thanks for the info everyone. Enjoy what you're doing and sorry I bothered ya all.
Not really. Its always been complicated, you simply weren't aware of it. I can't speak for anyone else, but at one time I understood none of this either.
You could buy the TC-750 phono pre, and try it. The 220 pF input capacitance may not be ideal for the (assumed) moving magnet cartridge you're probably using, but it will allow you to listen to your records.
"sorry I bothered ya all" I don't know if anyone felt bothered by your inquiry, but I do feel that you were bothered by the complexity of some of the answers.
"but don't need all the headache" That right there is one reason CDs quickly replaced LPs for the masses. Of course there was a sonic penalty to be had with CDs, but on the other hand, CD's probably did sound better to many people, if their table, arm, and cartridge (along with the phono preamp) were poorly set-up, and/or mismatched.
Good luck.
"To ask the right question is already half the solution to a problem." - Carl Jung
Folks here helped you with workarounds based on your current setup. The headache you are experiencing comes from buying a receiver without a built-in phono input. That used to be a given, but times have changed. Rather than selling off the turntable and records, the better solution by far would be to exchange the Pioneer receiver for a different one with a phono input.
Best of luck, and happy listening, whichever way you decide to go.
. . . in theory, practice and theory are the same; in practice, they are different . . .
Mklarson,
There are not shortage of great phono preamps. Let this be written; let this be done. However, ALL PHONO STAGES are their greatest with SPECIFIC CARTRIDGES -- the industry doesn't say this.
I have been into high-mid end audio for almost 35 years, and I have learned that you should buy a phono cartridge first; then match the best matching phono-preamp to your cartridge.
IMHO, the only other way to properly approach this would be get a phono preamp and setup that allows the the OPTIMUM OF MOVING MAGNET PHONO PREMAP OPTIONS -- an example would be this:
1. Blue Jeans Cable LC-1 (1 meter is around $50)
If you have RCA output sockets on the turntable and can use any interconnect you want; you NEED ULTRA LOW CAPACITANCE CABLES to get the most of any Moving Magnet cartridge (such as Audio Technica and Ortofon Moving Magnet cartridges with either line contact or Fitz Geiger stylus tips).
IF YOU DO THESE THINGS; YOU WILL BE IN SONIC HEAVEN !
2. Darlington Labs MM6B phono preamp -- ONE OF THE BEST OUT HERE AT IT'S PRICE !
You have so much adjustability with this phono preamp. Combine that with a JFET design (super quiet) and you get a GIANT KILLER OF A MOVING MAGNET PHONO STAGE !
...now, one example:
1. Blue Jeans Cable LC-1 interconnect (1 meter pair of RCA) -- 2 pairs
2. Darlington Labs MM8B phono preamp
3. Audio Technica AT-VM95ML cartridge
.....set everything up correctly. Use the LC-1 cables from the turntable output to phono stage, and from the phono stage to the preamp/intergrated/reciever.
Set the Darlington Labs phono preamp for 50pf of capacitance and 38k Ohms resistance and ....
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Martin N
Assuming you want a solid state design, I would look for a Hafler PH50. Not sure how often they come up on the used market, but this is excellent performance at a reasonable price.
What cartridge brand and model are you going to use on this turntable?
Thanks,
Martin N.
Technolink TC 750 Is what I'm thinking about
Edits: 05/03/24
I guess I don't understand the question. Someone pointed out the TC 750 and it looked OK. Did I miss something? I'm not looking for a 220v just a 110v
I see now that you may not be familiar with what a cartridge is, which is what afro18 asked you about.
I temporarily owned the TC-750 phono stage at one time, and agree that it's OK, and should probably suit your needs.
...the front panel will also have that as a selection; that just may save you a bit of time and money. At least initially.
Later Gator,
Dave
I suggest you go to www.phonopreamps.com and look into their TCC TC-750 model. In my humble 2nd system, it outperformed a Behringer pp400, ART DJ Pre and the phono section of a NAD receiver.
Link below to my previous response in case you missed it.
. . . in theory, practice and theory are the same; in practice, they are different . . .
Assuming you're going to be using moving magnet or moving iron carts, I'd recommend the DB Systems DB-8, but it's $300 and you might not want to spend that much.
I have a DB Systems DB-1 preamp and the onboard phono stage is essentially the DB-8. I had a stand alone DB-8 years ago that I foolishly sold and wish I had back.
Right now, I'm also using a Schiit Mani II for the second turntable and it's OK but if I had to do it over again I wouldn't have bought it.
U-Turn Audio's Pluto 2 gets good reviews, it's $109. I've never heard one.
If you want to go really cheap, there's the Fosi Box X1 at $40.
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I have no idea what all the moving magnets and iron carts mean. I'm limited on the stereo lingo and just trying to get my turntable to work with the receiver and speaker system I have. I'm thinking this is a bad idea and just selling the JVC receiver, Kenwood turntable and 90 albums would be the better option.
...get the Fosi. It'll serve you perfectly. For $40 you can't beat it.
You can get it from Amazon.
And consider yourself lucky that you don't fuss over this stuff like the rest of us do.
The blissful counterstroke-a considerable new message.
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/hifonics-thor-500w-class-d-digital-2-channel-mosfet-amplifier-with-variable-crossovers-black/6208720.p?skuId=6208720
Not sure if I can do this, if not please remove. Is this a pre amp I could use in this setup
never mind I see its for a car audio.
this will do the trick, no muss, no fuss.
The blissful counterstroke-a considerable new message.
Did I miss something or does he want 220 v?
Or any subsequent replies.
The blissful counterstroke-a considerable new message.
Sort of hinting your link is for a 220v item.
As far as I can see it's auto-switching when you plug it into the wall. It sees 120 volts and puts out the appropriate power accordingly
"One of the most common uses of auto-switching AC adapters is in laptops. They can support both 110 volts and 220 volts"
Oh, I was looking at the big print
Not the small print buried in the image gallery
So the answer is: I did miss something!
Another Inmate I correspond with has one. I nearly bought it from him and probably should.
I ended up with a Schiit Mani II instead and I don't think the Mani is all that great.
The blissful counterstroke-a considerable new message.
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