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In Reply to: RE: Good, Reliable, affordable 6922's? posted by Sibelius on July 29, 2021 at 11:24:47
Russian 6N23P is best at $5 each. Even Electro Harmonic are $23 each.
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No, not $50. $5 each on ebay in NOS. You can buy as many as you want. Six tubes required per your post is $30.
But thanks for the information.
Are you REALLY going to trust EBay to sell you a tube for 5$ and have it be both good and new?
I would look elsewhere.
Too much is never enough
The 6H23Π (6n23p) is so/so. The 6H23Π-EB (6n23p-ev) is very tough and has good, if not great, sonics. The tube New Sensor markets as the ElectroHarmonix (EH) 6922 is, in fact, 6H23Π-EB. Shop "EBone" for prices more favorable than New Sensor's.
For sonics better than Saratov, Russia, made tubes, whose cost is not excessive, try JJ's E88CC. Consistency has been an issue with JJ's product, but if you get correctly made stuff, the sound is close to West European NOS.
Eli D.
but the tubes they sell are fully tested and warrantied. You can certainly purchase the same type of tube direct from the source, but costs of testing, matching and replacement are paid by the end buyer- hence the attractive price.
I've found the consistency of the JJ E88CC to be very, very good in the past. The gold pin version anyway.
The problem with that tube for the last nearly two years has been availability. From what I was told by one their NA distributors, JJ decided to re-tool their E88CC line to also produce a frame-grid 12AX7. They managed to get the new frame-grid 12AX7 production up before the pandemic hit. They've been struggling to get the E88CCs going ever since. It's been three months or more since I looked into it, but matched pairs of the gold-pins were like hen's teeth then. When I last spoke the that distributor, he was expecting to receive some QC samples of the E88CC from JJ.
I hope JJ gets it together with that tube. I don't wanna pull my Teles out if I don't have to.
Eli, your post does not agree with the HEAD-FI review having the 6N23P in the top group of 17 tubes here:
https://www.head-fi.org/threads/6922-tube-review-17-top-6922-6n23p-e88cc-cca-7308-e188cc-tubes.761078/
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Opinions, everybody has them. I stand by what I said; the 6H23Π is mediocre and the 6H23Π-EB is pretty darned good.
Among Russian types, that specimens with the -EB suffix are superior is commonplace.
Eli D.
My $5 tubes I suggested are 6N23P-EV (did not add the EV) here:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/322539283243?hash=item4b18d6e32b:g:Fq0AAOSwvFhajqx6
They're the cheap 6N1P, and I can tell you they're very different from a 6922. OK to build with, not OK as subs in most cases.
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The way I read that ad is that those tubes are 6N1P-VI and the ~ is "similar to" a 6dj8 ecc88 6922 6n23p-ev. I don't know enough about tubes, but I don't think they are the same tubes.
"Except for higher heater current, the 6N1P is similar to 6DJ8, ECC88 or 6922 types and may substitute for these types in some high level audio applications."
Oh, no good. Sellers are tricky posting 6N22P when actually a 6N1P.
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Took a couple of looks before I noticed the ~ symbol. So, yeah tricky! Thanks for the help though. Going to dig the box out of the attic and see what the OEM's are. I don't notice anything bad with what's in the amp now, so I'll leave them be for now as long as I have some backups. 6 is a pain in the wallet!
I trust your analysis Eli.
BTW- Look for 6N23P with the silver, not grey shield. Silver shield are reported to sound a little better, but all 6N23P outperform most other 6922 manufactures.
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