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In Reply to: You, DeKay, are posting the 'hissy' notes. Jim's note is quite rational and informative. (NT) posted by jeffreybehr on December 16, 2006 at 15:13:57:
Just mentioned how they suck in my system, suggesting that caution is advised.As to why this is I don't know, unless I purchased two pairs, from different reputable tube dealers, which are all defective in a specific way. (their sound was exactly alike).
If Jim can see, as he states, how they would not perform well in my amp's circuit he's not been "informative" as to why this would be.
Used many 12at7 types with different sonics, and all have been fine/listenable (many meaning: many, many, many).
As the 4024's would seem to be exactly the same as 12at7wa (per Duncan), I'd expect them to @ least be listenable.
Tried the remaining pair this evening (with the thick/sloppy sounding Ken-Rad/RCA dual/separate flat plate 2A3's my wife loves) and the results were again unlistenable.
When I get around to upgrading the iron/adding chokes to my amps I will take measurements with the 4024's operating in circuit (compare such to other 12at7's) as this may shed some light on the problem.
Jim's second post is indeed hissy.
Follow Ups:
"Just mentioned how they suck in my system, suggesting that caution is advised."That's not true, in your second post you said:
"As they are still for sale (by one, or two, online dealers) I respond everytime I read something about them, as I feel they are a major rip."
That's a far cry from "they suck in my system" or "caution is advised".
"If Jim can see, as he states, how they would not perform well in my amp's circuit he's not been "informative" as to why this would be."
I pointed you in the right direction if you were interested. If you aren't able to pick up on that from my post that's your problem. But you seem to be more interested in proving how "cute" you can be with your little slams against me and Jeffrey. And honestly at this point I really have no desire to help or inform you at all.
BTW, if you are a measuring kind of guy like you say in your post, why don't you tell us about the measurements you made on your Peter Belt Foil that proved that was a good investment? Go ahead, I'll watch for your measurements. I can't wait to see them.
Enough time wasted on this...
$75 for 4 unlistenable tubes sucks.How exactly did you point out/explain how the CV4024's differ drastically from every other 12at7 (and 12at7 type) I've tried in this circuit, as they are the ONLY tubes that sound like crap? Yes, guess I missed that.
Seems you are implying (other post in the thread) that the Paramours design is unsound in using the 12at7 as a driver.
Doesn't explain why only the mid 80's 4024 (so far) is the only 12at7 that does not work, as all others have sounded just fine.
My "slams" as you call them have been responses to your hissy posts most every time I comment on these tubes.
If I wanted to "slam" you I would simply rant upon your numerous "send me an email and I can help you out" posts.
You seem to have an AA Wild Card which allows you to disregard the posting rules other dealers are bound by. How nice for you.
-End rant.
If you are truly interested in the PWB Foil (though I suspect it's simply an ignorant cheap shot on your part) then ask Thorsten Loesch.
His findings pretty much parallel mine (we both ended using CD "rider" mats treated with the product).
Oh, and the foil was free, though I did later give other packets (from the 9/11 auctions) away as gifts.
Not really interested in your help Jim, so don't sweat it.
"If I wanted to "slam" you I would simply rant upon your numerous "send me an email and I can help you out" posts."I forgot to mention - many times the help I gave was pointing out OTHER people who had what they wanted. I do that quite a bit.
"If I wanted to "slam" you I would simply rant upon your numerous "send me an email and I can help you out" posts.You seem to have an AA Wild Card which allows you to disregard the posting rules other dealers are bound by. How nice for you."
If you feel any posts I've made are inappropriate then please report them to the moderator for review. They will take whatever action they deem appropriate, and whatever they decide is fine with me.
This is what I would recommend to anyone who feels any post is inappropriate.
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