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In Reply to: RE: TG Audio speaker cables and directionality posted by geoffkait on May 18, 2022 at 16:43:00
"They are both signal and return."
Yes they are, so why do you keep saying things like...
"But it provides the signal only when the current is traveling in the direction of the speaker. You can ignore the signal when it's traveling in the opposite direction away from the speaker"
Both wires are equally important at all times. What happens in either wire will equally affect what is coming out of the speaker at all times.
There seems to be a large hole in your understanding of audio electronics that causes you to say some very weird things at times.
Tre'
Have Fun and Enjoy the Music
"Still Working the Problem"
Follow Ups:
I say that because it's true. You can ignore the electrons/current/signal when it is traveling in the opposite direction, i.e., the direction away from the speakers. The "signal" on both wires + and - traveling toward the speakers - is the one that makes the speaker diaphragms move out and in. That's why wire is *always* "directional" AC circuits. That's why Bob Crump was incorrect how he constructed his cables, how he thought directionality worked. At least he tried.The physical asymmetry of the conductor metal is what makes the wire/cable sound better, less distorted in one direction vs the other direction. One assumes the drift electrons have a more rigorous route to travel in the "bad" direction.
Please stop repeating the same old audiophile lie, "AC cables can't be directional because the current travels in both directions."
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"The "signal" on both wires + and - traveling toward the speakers - is the one that makes the speaker diaphragms move out and in."
The alternating current flowing towards the speaker in one wire and away from the speaker in the other wire is what makes the diaphragm move out and in. It is really the alternating current that is flowing in the voice coil that makes the diaphragm move out and in (and the fact that that VC is sitting in a magnetic field and the current flowing in the VC is creating a field as well) but that can't happen unless the current flows through both wires to get to and from the VC.
I think you are hung up on semantics.
"The "signal" on both wires + and - traveling toward the speakers" That is one way to look at/talk about it. Don't get hung up thinking that that is something new or a new understanding. It's not. It's just a new way to talk about it.
Tre'
Have Fun and Enjoy the Music
"Still Working the Problem"
No, you're incorrect. And don't put words in my mouth. This is not semantics. Put your listening ears on.It's the moving electric field interacting with the permanent magnet that makes the speaker diaphragms move in and out. The E field that moves toward the speaker on each wire + and -. The electric field moving toward the speaker on wire + makes the diaphragm move out, the electric field moving toward the speaker on wire - makes the diaphragm move in. Each wire Carrie's half the complete audio waveform. That's why both wires + and - need to be controlled for directionality by ensuring their "best direction" is toward the speaker. Not as Bob Crump described. This is also why fuses have their best orientation such that the best direction is *toward the speakers* on whichever wire it's attached to. "Current toward speakers." Follow?
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Each wire carries the complete audio waveform.The voice coil is one wire. Did you even think about that?
Read a book.
Tre'
Have Fun and Enjoy the Music
"Still Working the Problem"
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Tre'
This guy is a master troll. You gotta ignore him.
Dave.
Master troll? No way! Maybe master debater.
This particular conversation can serve no purpose any more. Ta ta
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