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RE: Bluesound Node 2 using NAS library is pretty slick.

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In Reply to: RE: Bluesound Node 2 using NAS library is pretty slick. posted by tketcham on August 01, 2018 at 19:32:48

Cut-throat got me started with a few tips on Synology NAS. It's working out nicely.
I have a few computers on our network that are always backed up automatically to the NAS using Time Machine and Carbon Copy Cloner. Its a no brainer since we don't even have to think about backing up. It just happens on a schedule. I get text and email notifications on backups that have completed - or if there were any issues. No issues so far!
My music server has a local library and that's where I rip my music. However, that local library gets backed up to the Synology and that's where the music is streamed from to various streamers in the house. Additionally, the Synology NAS is backed up weekly to an external 8TB USB disk.
So my music actually resides in four places:
- Music Library on the Mac Mini.
- Music Library on the Synology NAS.
- Music Library backed up from NAS to external 8TB HDD.
- CDs in several boxes down in the basement.
NAS in the basement
Synology NAS to USB HDD backup notification via email & text:
Your backup task To USB Storage is now complete.
Backup Task: To USB Storage
Backup Destination: usbshare1-2 / nas_1.hbk
Start Time: Fri, Aug 3 2018 23:59:04
Duration: 16 Minute 41 Second
Sincerely,
Synology DiskStation

Edits: 08/03/18 08/04/18 08/04/18

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Question - E-Stat 13:52:25 08/05/18 (12)
Does Time Machine offer incremental backups?

I backup wifey's document folder (~8 GB) on a regular basis to a USB drive and pretty much copy everything while most of her stuff doesn't change.

Thanks!
- Yes, incremental - AbeCollins 14:26:19 08/05/18 (11)
  1st backup may take a while depending on what folders you choose. Subsequent backups are incremental. Only thing is, because TM is so basic and simple, it backs up every hour. You have no scheduling options.
  - Thanks - E-Stat 15:24:00 08/05/18 (5)
    You have no scheduling options.
    That is unimportant to me since I maintain offline backups. Once a week, I pull the next of six drives from the fireproof safe and update it. Don't find the need to keep lots of spindles running 24/7 for no apparent gain. Along with extending drive life running but an hour or less each month, all online drives are subject to ransomware.
    Is it file by file? Once I copy the files to the USB drive, I spread the contents to my server and a series of USB thumb drives which also backup a small chunk of financial data on a daily basis. Not interested in proprietary formats.
    edit: I've never faced any challenges voiced by others using drive sharing. And use it frequently to sync wifey's Lion's Club laptop to the server for backup purposes. Just prior to when support for Win7 sunsets in January 2020, I will replace my 2011 based server with one having a 2 TB SSD with separate OS and data partitions. And continue to backup to offline drives for the largely static music, photo and video content (most of it) and to USB sticks for small daily changes.
    
    Edits: 08/05/18
    - Hadn't really thought about it.... - AbeCollins 10:38:22 08/06/18 (4)
      One of the features of Time Machine is its point-in-time backups that are easily retrieved by launching Time Machine. Lets say you're editing a document and you messed it up. You can easily "Enter Time Machine" and go back one hour, several hours, days, weeks, etc. etc. to easily retrieve an earlier copy.
      
      That said, I believe you can also retrieve files w/o Time Machine but I haven't looked into it. There's a blog link below that indicates that this can be done but the posts are a bit old. I would recommend trying it for yourself to ensure it will work the way you want it to.
      
      Time Machine, going back in time
      
      Once you're at the window pane for the point in time you want, you can navigate folders, click on the file or folder you want, then press the Restore button. It will place that file/folder on your desktop.
      
      Accessing Time Machine backups w/o Time Machine (Open in New Window)
      - Unfortunately - E-Stat 10:46:43 08/06/18 (3)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Hadn't really thought about it.... posted by AbeCollins on August 06, 2018 at 10:38:22
        
        it appears to be Mac only requiring an HFS filesystem. The USB drives use EXFAT to freely exchange between Mac and Win.
        
        Other options... - AbeCollins 11:06:56 08/06/18 (2)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Unfortunately posted by E-Stat on August 06, 2018 at 10:46:43
        
        If you use Time Machine to backup to NAS, it supports SMB.
        
        macOS supports exFAT and FAT32 but Time Machine does not. You could use an external exFAT disk then use a command line utility like tar or rsync, both are built-in on macOS.
        
        If you're adventurous you could include one of the utilities in a script with cron / crontab to create a backup schedule. cron / crontab are built-in on macOS.
        
        In the a terminal window:
        
        man cron
        man crontab
        man tar
        man rsync
        man cpio
        
        There might be some commercially available backup applications that are cross-platform compatible using exFAT or FAT32.
        
        Just something simple - E-Stat 11:47:33 08/06/18 (1)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Other options... posted by AbeCollins on August 06, 2018 at 11:06:56
        
        to copy her work laptop documents to an external USB drive. What I'm doing currently is likely that solution.
        
        Thanks anyway. :)
        
        Yup KISS is often... - AbeCollins 12:30:49 08/06/18 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Just something simple posted by E-Stat on August 06, 2018 at 11:47:33
        
        ...the best solution. ;-)
  - RE: Yes, incremental - Cut-Throat 14:44:46 08/05/18 (4)
    Abe, you should look at Hyper Backup on your Synology NAS. You have complete flexibility on the Backup Schedule. From 1 hour on up to daily, weekly, monthly etc. etc.
    
    Cut-Throat
    - I'm backing up Macs, not the NAS.... - AbeCollins 10:10:55 08/06/18 (3)
      I use Carbon Copy Cloner for my scheduled Mac backups. I have it installed on each Mac and it is scheduled to back up to the NAS in the wee hours of the morning. I also use Time Machine for quick and simple retrieval of 'point-in-time' backups.
      Hyper Backup is for backing up the NAS itself, not for backing up the computers on your network.
      
      [Corrections made]:
      For backing up the NAS I use Synology ~~USB Copy~~ Hyper Backup . It backs up the NAS to an external 8TB USB HDD. This is also automated on a schedule.
      So Time Machine and Carbon Copy Cloner backup the Macs to the NAS. Synology ~~USB Copy~~ Hyper Backup backs up the NAS to an external USB disk.
      So, for backing up the NAS to external USB HDD I use Hyper Backup . I did use USB Copy but just once to initially 'bulk load' my music library from a USB disk to the NAS as this is faster than transferring all the music files over the network.
      
      Edits: 08/06/18 08/06/18 08/06/18 08/06/18 08/06/18
      - I keep forgetting .................... - Cut-Throat 14:08:53 08/06/18 (2)
        
        In Reply to: RE: I'm backing up Macs, not the NAS.... posted by AbeCollins on August 06, 2018 at 10:10:55
        
        Some Computers have files on them. :-)
        
        Cut-Throat
        
        A minor correction... - AbeCollins 15:45:33 08/06/18 (1)
        
        In Reply to: RE: I keep forgetting .................... posted by Cut-Throat on August 06, 2018 at 14:08:53
        
        While I do use Carbon Copy Cloner and Time Machine to backup the computers to the NAS, I am actually using Hyper Backup to backup the NAS to external USB HDD (not USB Copy as originally posted).
        
        Once set up this stuff is so automated I forgot! I used USB Copy once to initially 'bulk load' my music library from HDD to the NAS. But for backing up the NAS to external USB disk, I do in fact use Hyper Backup.
        
        Exactly ................. - Cut-Throat 16:19:16 08/06/18 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: A minor correction... posted by AbeCollins on August 06, 2018 at 15:45:33
        
        You are right! .... This stuff is so automated that I often forget what is happening. I usually have to think about what is being done.
        
        Cut-Throat
Great! .......................... - Cut-Throat 15:34:22 08/02/18 (0)
I have found that having the Disk Storage a part of the network, rather than tied to one computer, is a major step forward.

Windows was not designed to do this, and sharing files with all of your network devices was largely an afterthought and a pain in the ass.

Cut-Throat

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