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Dons flame suit for accusations of 'snobbery'. Here goes with my list anyway.;-), and :-).
Posts asking 'please list your top 1 (or 5 or ...) XXXXX style albums'.Sergeant Pepper's being listed in a response.
Almost any classical artist doing crossover. eg. Kiri te Kanawa!
Kiri te Kanawa 'doing' Mozart. Wobble wobble w_o_o_b_b_l_e.
The concept of 'crossover', itself.
'Achey breakey' C&W, and,.....
That it is so popular.
Elvis impersonators.The whole Elvis 'thing' as well, as it is now. Barfff!
Richard Clayderman and his ilk, any newer ones for me to despise / avoid / curl my lip about! Do please add to my list, there must be heaps. ;-)!
'Biscuit-box' Scottish singers. etc, etc!
Dolly Parton, when she isn't singing!
Pop singers 'doing' National Anthem's and/or Amazing Grace, at significant 'bloody great big occasions', you get the picture!
Waldo de los Rios - especially, but not only, for what he did to Mozart's 40th Symphony!
Snobbery by 'classical' lovers re just about any other type of music. John William's (guitarist) interview in Stereophile really exposes this for the crap that it is.
'World music' as 'fashion' accessory, for yuppies and Gen-Xers.
Just about everything in current mainstream pop. Someone played me some "R&B" this week, 'Whaatttt, that's not R&B' that's derivative drivel.
Sampling,
and electronic drums.
Recording company executives wringing their hands - about the state they've put the industry in.
Music videos being used to sell ....... sound recordings.
that'll do for now
Now out with yours folks. YNK, I could be one of your pet peeves!
Timbo in OzPS. Did any of you visit the Australian Broadcasting Corporation's news site about Bali? - abc.net.au ? 92 Aus. cit's dead at last count, heaps of bodies yet to go, some probably unidentifiable now.
Follow Ups:
Kenny GPick up trucks that never have anything in the back (what's the point in driving the fat piece of junk that handles like a bouncy castle on shopping cart wheels then?)
Greatest Hits
Brand stickers on fruit.
Oil companies. So many reasons.
Ozzy's taste in guitarists since Randy Rhoads died.
Eric Clapton penned tunes.
The center channel - when are movie lovers going to wake up and discover how unnecessary it is?
Cheap sub-woofers.
Karaoke.
Fast food.
Coffee.
Old cars - no metter how pretty they are, they drive like crap.
Monsters Inc.
People who want steak every time they eat out.
Having pet peeves.
1. People who don't use their turn signals...I want to have a five inch cannon* mounted on the roof of my car, with holographic sights in my windshield, electronic aiming on the steering wheel, and kill their asses!2. People listening to rap and shaking my ass as they drive by, or worse...while I sit at a light...44 magnums* are good for them!
3. Beautiful people on TV, my guess is they're not human, they're robots designed, manufactured, and stored until needed in Utah. Don't ask me about Utah...I don't want to piss off anyone that badly!
4. I used to hate people that bought and drove cars costing more than 25 grand...but last week I bought a used (1 1/2 year old) Durango in brand-new shape that originally sold for around $40,000. Damn...now everyone looks at me with envy and hatred!
5. People that don't really like music but say they do...for instance, my own sister said...and I quote, "I think people listen to classical music to impress other people!" This...from a C&W listening woman who once was a JAP (Jewish American Princess, for those that don't know!) raised in the same musical home that I was. I do love the woman, even though she thinks that pretty boy Garth is a great singer.
6. People who own turntables and refuse to learn how to take care of the animal (ya, I know there are some that have 10 thumbs and just can't...but...).
7. People who own audio systems and have to have others set them up for them (ditto from above...and yes, as arthritic as I am, most** of the time I do it all myself...and I am a true mess!).
8. Women (and men too) who look in the mirror and adjust their "do" as they drive...the five incher will handle them!
9. People who stop in the middle of the road and talk to their buddies...the five incher would handle that problem well!
10. People who bitch about other people's format preferences...if you love music and want to hear where it is headed and/or doing, you MUST go digital...but I think dumping a large LP collection and buying into SACD is a fool's course...there's just too much to be had too cheaply that most have never heard!
11. Surround sound...5...6...7...8...9...10, etc. speakers yelling at me in mediocre sound while watching cliche and the wonderful acting abilities of Krapeno Reaves...he plays the entire gamut of emotions from A to B.
12. Surround music...I don't have the room for the system I have now (see above).
13. Rainy days and the few days preceding them...drugs can only do so much...low atmospheric pressure overcomes everything but the heavy stuff (pain pills turn me into a zombie).
14. People who want me to pull over into slower traffic on the interstates when I'm passing people who are already going 65 mph, and I'm doing 75 or 80!!! I love it when they pull up on my bumper at that speed...I lock 'em up! Scares the bejeezus out of them!
Another use for the 5 incher!*I don't own any guns, nor do I ever expect to buy any...with my temper, I'd probably use it...which leads to another bitch...why do people need 200 weapons? Why do I need 10,000+ LP's?
**Sometimes I just have to ask for help! And wish me well...I see the nerve doctor tomorrow! I sure would like to stop doing the Quasimodo impersonations!
Wimp! Gimmee a TOW missile followed by a flame thrower any day!
:)
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Guess we should ask if Mikee means "5 inch" to indicate bore or length of barrel.
Fake sounding Italian names on Oriental cars...do they think the American public is dumb enough to think they're buying an Italian race car? Oh, ya...we are!Some suggest the obscene..."I'm goin' down to the corner to see if Sephia is there, I'm gonna slip her the Leganza."
Well this was good for me, and I can live with our differences, I hope it left most of you feeling better!Worked for me. Thanks.
Although I didn't mention people talking on their mobiles in the car, yet, already, or in public places.
I like Lowretta Lynn a lot, and Patsy Clines 'Crazy' makes my hair stand on end.
Like it or not on a new cartrdige the suspension does take a while to settle in.
It is nice to know that we can still rile each other.
timbo
People who try to make a left against rush hour traffic and make you wait 15 or 20 min. instead of making a right and then making a u turn.
It irks me that so many people don't understand that they can drive 20 feet out of their way, but save 10 minutes in the process.Or when you are nice enough to let someone in and then they hold you up making an illegal left in a right turn only lane. It absolutely doesn't pay to be nice--people will stick it to you any way they can on the road, and then say howdy and good morning to you at work--doesn't add up.
mp
they keep interviewing them on CNN
Those who get bent out of shape if someone types using capital letters. Do the big letters damage your eyes and cause you pain?Those who fail to understand a concept or point of view and instead fixate on grammar.
Now for what really pisses me off ......Those perforated opening tabs on Kraft dinner boxes are seemingly for appearance only.
Those perforated opening tabs on Kraft dinner boxes are seemingly for appearance only.I HATE THOSE THINGS TO. THEIR SUCH LOOSERS FOR MAKING THOSE.
;o).I agree with you about electronic drums! They do get irritating.
Dolly Parton is a very interesting person, with a seemingly well adjusted outlook on life. She does really appear to be a "down to earth" kind of person. Not a big fan of country--but occassionaly a little Lorreta Lynn or Patsy Cline will hit the sweet spot.
mp
Too many teen idols singing about their sex drives with Videos that should be rated R & too many rap songs about drugs & gansters. Do you really want to be a ganster? People at work that play Power 106 all day long with 4 to 5 songs that repeat every hour with Big Boy (the DJ) doing the same jokes everyday & saying " Do you know what I am saying". I don't know what you are saying because you are asking 'Do you know what I saying' too many times. JD3
KP
People who can’t handle my classical snobbery, why do I have to like everything unless it’s all the same. Some things are Art some things are only entertainment.Oh yes my peeves…
50,000,000 Smashmouth fans can’t be wrong. Hey now!
And just about everyone elses, except the anti-classical stuff.
"Stairway to Heaven" being named the #1 rock song ever in those weekend-long classic rock countdowns.Closed minds
People passing opinion as fact.
People telling other people their opinion is wrong.
People who think if it can't be explained by current scientifical knowledge, then it can't be true.
Are you disputing the opinion of the people who say Stairway to Heaven is their favorite song?Peeve: People who think that which can't be explained must be supernatural.
No, I am disputing radio stations telling me what the best rock song ever is. It's not like they took a vote. Some program director put it together with a fear of catching flak if he didn't name Stairway or Hey Jude as #1. If it were voted #1, that's much different. I have heard countdowns with other #1 songs. Bob Segers' 'Turn the Page' and Traffics' 'Low Spark of high heeled boys'. Both great songs, not my #1's, but a preferable ending to the standards. IMO.I never mentioned supernatural. I see you feel that anything that needs to be measured can be measured by science today. How closed minded.
I agree it is almost a given that Hey Jude/STH win, makes it far less interesting and kinda points out how little growth exists in that genre, but then, classic rock is really just oldies with a name that doesn't offend boomers (IMHO). My remarks weren't meant as a flame, I just thought I saw an inconsistancy in the two peeves. Please take my comments as lighthearted."I see you feel that anything that needs to be measured can be measured by science today. "
I never said that, re-read my post. I'm just critiquing that line of reasoning that people use to go from 'I heard a bump in the night that I can't explain' to 'it was a ghost'.
If you were not referring to supernatural events, then I misunderstood you.
That sounds like everyone I know. No wonder I'm walking around in a funk nowadays...;-)
In football, I hate when a receiver goes straight up in the air to catch a pass, and a defender knocks him 10 yards out of bounds and the ref invariably rules him out-of-bounds!! ARGH!!!In basketball, I hate when a defender tips the ball into the back court and it is recovered by the offense, and the ref always calls it backcourt!!
I'm not real hot on those little minature corn ears you see in Chinese buffets. I want my corn bigger that those plastic corn holders. Plus you feel guilty, like you're eating veal or something.
nt
- It's not PC to criticize anybody's musical taste- It's even less PC to criticize their lack of taste
- Anything recorded on vinyl is worth owning
- Everything recorded on vinyl is worth listening to
- Neighborhood kids stealing your BVD's so they can make a trampoline
- Genetic Engineers
Listen here you jackasses- how friggin long is it going to take you to find the friggin FLAVOR gene for a friggin tomato and put the damn thing back in.
And while your at it- is a pineapple with a skin like a banana too much to ask ? Hmmmmm ? And what about a cold climate mango ? Jackasses.- Smiley faces
- Winking smiley faces
- People who don't put "nt" in the header- they put it in the message- YOU BASTARDS !
Smiley facesWell a lot of us hate them too. But belligerents are required to use them because some humorless people can't tell when they're joking. I often don't use them because it just spoils the deadpan or irreverent jab. But I'm not labeled a belligerent so it's OK.
Jeff
nt ;)
People who talk about how worthless Music Lane is but then still hang around.
Jeff
These people are, of course, simply wrong. Obligatory smiley-- :)
1. Labels that wont release their back catalog in an orderly fashion;
are they waiting until all potential buyers have died before issuing
the stuff? Get it out there while the listeners are still living!2. Bill Evans. Great technique. Otherwise sleep inducing.
3. All the hoorah about Miles Davis. Coltrane too.
4. Rap. Nothing but doggerel set to a mechanical beat. For
the musically impaired.5. Vinyl freaks. Please. Your prefered medium is not superior.
Just different.6. SET amps. Much money for very little amp.
7. $75,000 speakers. Who are you kidding?
Now I'm going to be cranky all day.
Pet peeves from a man whose main system is headphones...5. Vinyl freaks. Please. Your prefered medium is not superior.
Just different.6. SET amps. Much money for very little amp.
7. $75,000 speakers. Who are you kidding?
GMAB
Going into a high end store and listening to some rig, noting a glaring problem. Enter sales rep. I comment that I thought these speakers would sound better at x$. Sales rep "well, the room is . . .". It is always the room. This has happened a lot. If you are in the business of selling $50000000000 systems then fix the blasted room. Or tell me I am full of it and throw me out.I am tired of being thrown out of high end stores. Just because I come in and listen to every system over and over and never spend a dime. Hey guys, some day I may win the lottery and actaully buy something, so better be nice! :)
Going into a high end store and having some 23 year old sales rep run around the room moving little panels to adjust the sound while I am listening. "Ahhh, that is better" they say after four or five moves. What, did my body volume change the acoustics? Does the music I am playing require different balancing then the last person? If I buy this system am I expected to move these panels around when I change a CD? If these panels are key, why don't you sell them?
Sgt Pepper listed as a fine recording. (just jumping on the band wagon here, have not listened to it in years).
Charlotte Church anything. She cannot sing. She never could sing. She is not on my list of musicians I most want to sleep with (Sophie on the other hand . . .).
Three anything
Irish tenors
Anyone who is into tubes AND vinyl. These people must be into S&M and nuts.
Kathleen Battle singing light pieces, art song or gospel.
Kiri signing. Sorry, I don't care for her either.
Someone sending me another another another Opera classics, worlds best arias, or any compilation.
People saying cables need break in. Sorry, while there are a number of things that may need warming up or mechanical things that need break in, cables are lifeless metal. They will pass the electrons the same in the first five minutes as the last minute of their life. And reversing them is also nuts. I am going to start selling purified audiophile air for $10 liter.
The smell of tubes. I don't like it. I have yet to come into a tubed room an not smell the tubes, even at the stores. It takes me back to struggling with my first systems, Pilot, Eico, Heath, where I spent every Saturday at Laffeyette testing tubes and killing my allowance on tubes. They never seemed to fix the problems and the tube slots were not marked so I had to spend hours figuring out where everything went.
I am tired of people asking me to come over and begging for honest opinions of their systems. Then if I say something like "I think you have a little peak at the XO" they get all huffy and defensive. I am on the border of saying "sounds great, yes really" to all systems. Besides, who said I know what I am talking about?
I am tired of feeling bad for DIY builders who buy $1500 worth of "super high end" parts and have no idea how to build a speaker. If you don't know how to tune a speaker then buy a kit.
I am tired of listing to people who installed six 18" woofers with 1000 watts each to "get natural bass".
I am tired of wasting time on systems that were designed to play loud. And people who base a system evaluation on how loud it plays.
I am tired of synthesized music. Yes I can tell the bass and drums are not real on almost any recording. I can tell the piano is not real also. This is the only requirement for playing my daughter's CDs in my car: real instruments. I can suffer through overproduced singers breathing into mics and pretending to sing, but I draw the line at computer generated instruments.
I guess I should stop here.
My speaker building site
1. Posts asking listing your top 1 (or 5 or ...) pet peaves.2. The "Twelve Days of Christmas". It's the most annoying song ever written.
Oh, this is supposed to be funnny, laugh :-)
people bitching about sampling, Sgt. Pepper, crossover, yuppie tastes, and pop music.........
People that don't like Kiri! I was turned off to opera with a sampling of Callas and Tebaldi, but once I chanced upon Kiri, I was a changed man.Still think Callas is a bit uncontrolled, like her voice is some wild horse that can be made to run in a straight line but still bucks and weaves as the mood suits.
But, truly, my pet peeve is people thinking that all posts must be palpable to all people. This odd democracy of sameness and fairness would turn this place into a complete snooze.
Randy
It is only with the heart that one can see rightly. What is essential is invisible to the eye. - Antoine De Saint-Exupery
People who care that I don't like Kiri.
Drummers that are spread across the rear wall.Yet another format war. (If either of them could get off the ground!!)
Staff in cd stores that have no knowledge about anything. (how do some of them remember to breath!!!)
Intolarence amongst audio enthusiasts.
Old Pedal steel guitar type C&W
The Krankies & Fran & Anna (Biscuit tin Scottish "entertainers")
People who claim that speaker wire is directional
Paying British prices for a CD
Missing Whispering Bob Harris' Saturday Night BBC2 show
Rap (I admit it's probably my age 'cos I can't relate)
Booking fees for concert tickets
Free Form Jazz (Unless it's the Fast Show)
Vinyl lovers insisting vinyl sounds better than CD who use $3,000 turntables with $1500 cartridges and buy $30 180 gram audiophile reisses. If they'd only compare a $500 rig comparable to your average Joe's $500 CD player, I might be interested in what they have to say. There I feel better now.
Aside from my more expensive turntable rig, I own a used cheapo Technics direct drive with a $90 Audio Technica cartridge that is plugged into an NAD integrated driving SOTA (yep, the turntable guys!) speakers. The analog front end cost me $140 used. Only about 20 of my 4000+ LP collection are 180 gram discs. Even the normal run-of-the-mill LP's on this rig sound better than MOST CD's played back on any digital gear you can name.Until recently, I was a staunch "analog is better than digital" shill. However, a year ago I bought an expensive pro CD recorder, to transfer some old homemade cassettes, and sampled an LP to CD-R transfer. It was so good I did some more... and more... and more! After a year, my conclusion is that digital picks up everything it's fed! My CD-R copies sounded virtually identical to the source (commercial CD, LP or cassette). Therefore, analog isn't better than digital. Digital is more accurate. However, commercial CD's still don't sound good as LP's most of the time. The medium isn't at fault which leaves the recording and/or mastering process to blame.
To be fair, I've heard some commercial CD's that sound better than any LP. But they are all too rare. The potential, however, IS there. If I can make a great sounding CD-R from an LP with my relatively inexpensive gear, why aren't more commercial CD's better sounding with the megakilobuck gear they use? And they have access to the master tape!!!!! Doesn't make sense. This is why I'm ambivalent about SACD. I wonder if the better sound is the extra bits or if it's just better recording and mastering.
My experience has been quite the opposite. I like vinyl and CDs and particularly SACDs. I have some lousy sounding CDs and I have some lousy sounding LPs. There is room in the world for both and neither is superior in my opinion.I do think, however, that dollar for dollar CD's and SACD's sound better than LPs. It's only when you get into more esoteric vinyl gear that vinyl really shines. I have about 500 LPs and still buy used LPs regularly. I run a 1986 B&O turntable ($425 new) with a 1 year old cartridge $275 through a $50 phono preamp kit that I built. I eventually intend to upgrade to a REGA P3 and probably a tube phono preamp.
I paid $399 for a Sony SCD-333ES SACD player a year and a half ago which has pretty good sounding Redbook CD playback. I honestly have to say that the majority of my CD's and all of my SACD's sound better than most of my LP's and for an investment that cost me $300 less in hardware than my vinyl rig. I get better separation, more dynamic range, better bass, and a bigger soundstage from my digital material. If I upgrade to the REGA, I'm probably looking at a minimum of $1200 with cartridge and a good preamp.
At that point, LP's may sound better than my CD's but I'd be surprised if they outdid my SACD's. My point is, I like good vinyl AND good CD's but why does it always seem to cost so much more money in hardware to really get that "good" vinyl sound? And why do economics not enter into the picture if one is arguing vinyl to be better than digital? I'm sure a $20,000 Wadia CD player sounds better than a lot of $1,500 turntables too but you never hear that used as an argument for the superiority of digital.
steve
I'd agree with that and I'd also agree neither is superior. But my point was that I get much better sound from a VERY modest analog front end than I do from the most expensive CD player... most of the time. I just think that the recording art was done with more care on vinyl. Of course, I am also very anal about record care."better separation, more dynamic range, better bass, and a bigger soundstage"
Can't argue with that as that is largely my experience as well. But I also get inaccurate timbral balance, grain, edginess, lack of harmonic weight and images that are thinner than life with Redbook CD. And since I know that this doesn't have to be the case, I'm very frustrated with the recording and mastering of CD's. I also can't argue that SACD sounds more lifelike than vinyl. Hope it takes off. Currently, I can't find enough music I like on SACD to make the investment worthwhile.
I guess my only point is that, yes, you can improve LP sound by spending more money, as my VPI/RB300/Benz Glider certainly sounds better than the old Technics. But LP's still usually sound better on my system(s). My "other" only point is that while I prefer LP's, it is only a preference, not an absolute. Neither medium is inherently superior and I, too, find the people that lean too far one way or the other to be silly. Enjoy the music!
1: Audiophilers claiming, ad nauseum, that CD's don't sound good.
2: Audiophilers flaming people who listen to cd's
3: AudioSnobs who look down upon "ANYONE* who dares question their hide-bound "If it isn't an LP, then it isn't music" ideology.
4: people who claim cable, stylii, speakers, & so forth "Have to be broken in before they will sound decent."
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Anyway, that's a few of mine.
< < people who claim ... speakers ... "Have to be broken in before they will sound decent." > >OK, you are entitled to your peeve :-)
However, the phenomenon of speaker break-in has been known about
and accepted for decades!
It's mentioned by Gilbert Briggs in one of his books published in
about the 1940's or 1950's.
stylii need to be broken in too?I guess a peeve of mine is that no one responds to questions about why things only break "in", they never break "out".
...sometimes things break OFF! :)
1: Crossover.2: People who criticise conductors for performing passionately on the platform.
3: People who disregard classical music completely.
4: Rock stars homosexual drugs sports - despite their obvious appeal.
5: Russell Watson, the working-class tenor, or whatever he calls himself.
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