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In Reply to: RE: Vanska/Minnesota Mahler Fifth - not gettin' any love on the internets! posted by Chris from Lafayette on July 26, 2017 at 20:48:26
Another long Adagietto is by Frank Shipway/Royal Philharmoic which also goes over 12 min. (12:27)
Whisper quiet and pretty, it has no tension or sense of anticipation. Underlying burning desire and yearning are completely missing.
I don't have many Vanska recording, but I noticed, perhaps he has a slight tendency to pretty thing up. It was ok some Beethoven programs but not for Mahler.
Abaddo/CSO Mahler 5 was also *everythig-is-same-same* camp. It wasn't not the longest Adagietto but sure felt like one~
*I have (or have had) over 80 recordings of this work.*
Wow. A hard core. :0 I only have about a dozen so far.
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I believe the record is held by the great Viennese conductor Hermann Scherchen at about 15 minutes.
It comes in right at 9 minutes (and I like it a lot). Recorded for Westminster in 1952. The YT link is a pretty decent sounding transfer.
That 1964 one with Philly is just insane!
He's doing Satie's *slow music* version. :/
Interesting as an experiment but it sounds awfully extravagant. Plus this is not certainly what Mahler intended. We know the timing from Mahler himself who said he took 9 minutes for it.
Wikipedia says that Mahler conducted it as fast as Mengelberg--at about 7 minutes, the quickist on record. The two were friends and colleagues.
Thanks for posting. I love it. I think he's got the mood just right. Is this a recording off a 78?
OTOH, I don't mind 10-11 minutes sometimes. Some conductors can pull that off. 12-and-a-half and slower is stretching the bounds of credibility! ;-)
I think where Kaplan fails to be convincing (at least to me) is when he makes a one-to-one association between a seven-minute performance (=love song, according to Kaplan) and a 12+ minute performance (=dirge, according to Kaplan). It's really not that simple, and music is acting at a more abstract level in any case.
I also found both his recordings of the Resurrection Symphony sufficiently uninteresting not to keep them around for very long. Overall, though, I think that his article you linked to was well argued, with the exception I noted.
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