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In Reply to: RE: Sigh .... posted by Amphissa on September 23, 2016 at 16:48:21
On any other day, I find myself defending hazy mono. Please don't pigeon hole me.
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I know audio is an important issue for some folks here, and I have my own audio preference - quality vinyl whenever I can find it, my preferred listening choice when I have it. It's all just personal preference.
"Life without music is a mistake" (Nietzsche)
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All of those Mono LM-2xxx Dogs are gone now.
You're a digital, Hi Rez guy now.
do I have to do to prove my frickin' musical purity to her Amphissa??? And yes, I have family in Berlin.I welcome dickish, condescending replies, but only if the poster does his due diligence .
I would have gladly sold my beautiful mono lp to Amphissa, but instead Im going to price-gouge the Chinese.
Edits: 09/24/16
Fine work by the young Ms. Wicks with Sixten Ehrling. Sibelius himself was a fan of hers. But as for sound quality, even Camilla herself wasn't happy. I read an interview of her in which she complained there was a flaw in the recording equipment which made her sound out of tune. I then listened to the LP, not great sound even by early 50s mono standards, but I could hear no trace of any intonation problems. I shrugged. Life went on.
Years later it was finally reissued on CD by Biddulph. Listening carefully to that, I'll be d@mned if a slight trace of wobbling pitch instability didn't raise its ugly head.
Bottom line, it's nice to have the Sibelius-approved Wicks version, and its also nice to hear the vastly better recorded latest high-rez versions. It's all good.
Listened to parts of the Balcony scene and Petrenko seem blessedly in tune with the erotic elements. Those grand, cosmic orchestral arpeggios seem to have been given their due; not too slow, not too fast.
Gergiev and Litton don't do it for me, but we're talking full-length samples on computer speakers, so take with grain of salt.
The Petrenko is pure DSD FWIW.
In a word: wow. Petrenko just nails it--so full of vitality and passion, with many unconventional touches as well. Great sound quality, too. I think this will likely become my favorite R&J.
Russell
I'm gonna try to figure out how to download a Hi-Rez version that will be compatible with my 'ancient technology' multi-bit DAC.
streaming from TIDAL!
But if I can get a 24/96 or 24/192 PCM download, I'm going for it.
New reference Prokofiev R & J for me.
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See if you hear any short passages that you do not recall from earlier recordings?
but I would have preferred just a touch of ritard (or slowing) in the bare, unison string descent leading up to them. No chance to prepare for the final ecstatic climax either, but then, our poor imaginary dancers would topple over. But then again, they're imaginary.Otherwise, even the over-played music, (esp. from Suite #1), is charming and fresh. I don't recall the lyrical trumpet solos so beautifully-played. The clarinet soloist infuses Juliet's music with a touching sadness. Very special stuff.
Everything that the Maazel and Gergiev lack--grace, charm, cartoonish humor, tremulous longing--is here in spades, no fussiness to distract. Reminds me of Leinsdorf's and Ozawa's Boston peformances. The BSO has a long history with Prokofiev's wonderful ballet.
As a recording, I knew I'd be in for a treat when the repeat of the opening string material--an octave higher the second time around--didn't grate on my ears. The militaristic music makes it's incisive impact too: "The Fight" from Act I is a lot of fun, and the stretch with raspy, muted horns and low trumpets made me smile. The the brass chorales elsewhere have a beautiful burnished glow.
I was worried the Oslo wouldn't be able to summon the "Russian" weightiness needed for the music, but I was quickly reminded that you can see Russia from Oslo's back yard. : )
Recordings of the full ballet don't come around too often; it's interesting that there wasn't much fanfare. I wonder what the British press, (Gramophone and Music Web, etc) will think, as well as Mr. Hurwitz.
On to Act II.
Edits: 09/25/16 09/25/16 09/25/16
Speaking on the Maazel CD re-issue:
"By the time Prokoviev came to write this great ballet in 1935, Russia was the only country that still had a tradition of "classical" ballet--that is, full-length works of several hours with a single coherent story line. Prokofiev's model was Tchaikovsky, and like his predecessor, he encountered severe problems getting the work produced. The dancers thought the music too complicated and unsuitable for dancing, and so the piece was first performed in Czechoslovakia, only later making a triumphant stage debut at the Bolshoi. It has never been out of the repertoire since. This recording set a new standard of orchestral excellence in performance of this music, and is still the version of choice for the complete ballet." --David Hurwitz
Hopefully, David will soon adopt a 'new' standard for this work.
I have.
Maybe, just maybe, Juliet's Funeral could have used a bit more forward momentum, (though Audiophiles will be too busy delighting in the low brass of Juliet's Funeral to notice!), and the end of the scene doesn't have quite the cold horror it needs.
Juliet's Death is slightly slow as well, though I don't blame Petrenko for wanting to luxuriate in Prokofiev's soaring lyrical melodies.
An all around success as long as the listener is OK with Petrenko's avoidance of rubato in the Balcony Scene, the one place I would have preferred a more flexible approach, even if unrealistic for the ballet stage.
Especially as this is one of my favorite works.
Even though it's available for streaming at 16/44.1 via TIDAL, I'll be looking for a Hi-Rez PCM download once it's officially released.
and save the DSD for when you get a DSD-capable DAC. I don't recall seeing the LAWO label on other music-download websites, so why not take advantage of Native DSD's LAWO sale?
Russell
Naxos Direct does sell the LAWO Classics label. The last issue with Petrenko and OSLO is available and is an SACD, so one can dream...
But dreams are quickly dashed as the R & J is on the Naxos Direct site as a pre-order shipping 10-28-16 and only as a CD.
But at $24.99.
The above LAMO offering is NOT on Naxos' streaming site, ClassicsOnlineHD so no Hi-Rez for Ivan, even streaming.. :-(
Until later this month?
Perhaps it will show up on the normal channels later?
Doubt I'll ever go with a DSD capable DAC as I'm locked into old discontinued chip (PCM-1704UK) multi bit DAC technology.
Would be interesting to know for certain if this was recorded in DSD, converted to PCM for editing or not, and back to DSD or what.
It it were recorded in DSD why not release it as an SACD?
This one?
Amazon wants a kings ransom for it ($46.92 pre-order) PLUS...
Not up for streaming on any of the (many) service I subscribe to anywhere that I can find. :-(
Download?
Where did you get it?
It's on Tidal and Apple Music now.
And yet I could not find it yesterday on TIDAL searching 'Petrenko' or 'Prokofiev'.
Go figure.
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Thanks,
And me without DSD capability and it looks more like 28 POUNDS Sterling!
Hope for a $20 or so download at 24/96 PCM soon?
Or I found one place in Europe selling the CD for about $28 so maybe that will be it.
Sounds good even at Free Spotify MP-3 quality but those ads are LOUD and badly timed!
Yes, it's good. But as you say, Spotify's ads make it unlistenable. It's really only good for helping you decide what you want to buy. And as jdaniel says, I'm not about to pay even a modest $10 per month for MP3 quality.
listening now and sharing with my 'Prokofiev loving wife'.
Such is my life as a cheap shit that won't pay $10 a month for 320kbps MP-3. :-(
Because they were more plentiful and sounded great on my system which didn't image all that well anyway.
Still have 1,000 or so classical mono LP's in my collection.
Sadly no Camilla Wicks in my collection, but I do have one Ginette Neveu someplace around here but I can't seem to find it. :-(
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