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In Reply to: RE: Why Katie Liu did not win the Chopin Competition posted by Amphissa on October 27, 2015 at 05:31:59
But Martha was definitely ONE of the culprits! ;-)In any case, as I stated, Cho was certainly deserving of his prize in portraying the more virile side of the composer. And, as I also mentioned, Madeline called it correctly (i.e., predicting that Cho would be the winner). OTOH, Richard-Hamelin had a bit of the freight train in his concerto playing IMHO. ;-)
I would have ranked the top three as follows:
The others were significantly below these three - again just IMHO.
- Kate Liu
- Eric Lu
- Seong-Jin Cho
BTW, did you notice how low Philippe Entremont ranked Cho (i.e., last of the final 10!) - something in Cho's playing must really have offended him. And I think Entremont's low rankings for Cho were consistent in the previous two rounds too. LOL!
EDIT: I forgot to mention that Martha didn't even vote for Katie to advance beyond the first round (!), although she apparently changed her mind and voted to advance Katie in the second and third rounds. The whole process among the individual judges is very interesting to examine now.
Edits: 10/27/15Follow Ups:
I tend to look more closely at the scoring of the highly successful performing artists on the panel. The "been there, done that" group who have built careers on stage and in the studio. The reason, maybe misguided on my part, is because there is more to great performance than hitting all the notes. And sustaining a career as a very successful performing artist is really hard, physically and mentally. So these people have earned my respect.The ones I'm familiar with would be Alexeev, Argerich, Goerner, Entremont, Ohlsson, and Yundi (Li). I've heard all of these people play Chopin (and much more of course) in concert or broadcast recording as well as studio recordings. I'm also familiar with some recordings of Ebi, Yoffe and Jasinski, although they are less established as performing artists.
These musicians mostly preferred the performances of Cho and R-H over all the other contestants.
Do highly successful performing artists grade differently from pedagogues and judges with less established performing careers? This is just a question. I've never really thought about it before.
As for Entremont, wow! What was his problem with Cho? Everyone else was so very impressed with Cho. (Of course, of the panel judges who are highly successful performing pianists, Entremont would be at the bottom of my list. But still, WTF?)
"Life without music is a mistake" (Nietzsche)
Edits: 10/27/15
"Do highly successful performing artists grade differently from pedagogues and judges with less established performing careers?"
Yes, their success is likely due to a superior perspective of what brings out the best in music. Having said that, performers can certainly be as biased as anyone else.
Dave
I certainly think he was more successful than Ebi, Yoffe and Jasinski - maybe Goerner too.
I very much agree with your comment about jurors' backgrounds. NY Times music critic Harold Schonberg was a friend of my father's and I got to meet and chat with him as well. A great journalist and writer (his coverage of the Fischer v. Spassky world chess championship in 1972 helped it become a legendary event, though he was no chess expert), with a near photographic memory and encyclopedic knowledge of classical music history, and also a middling amateur pianist.
He served on the jury at some major piano competitions, and I thought that was ridiculous. A restaurant critic may know what food he likes, and/or what food most of his readers will probably like, but he won't be as good a judge of who has was it takes to become a great chef as a current great chef would be. You have to know what goes on in the kitchen.
C'mon - editors/musicologists are so entrenched in the universities, what value do they they add (and what experience can they bring) to such a practical endeavor as picking a single competitor for the launch of an actual career as a performing musician?Having said that however, I feel that Rink's actual scoring in the final round was pretty competent (aside from his low ranking of Eric Lu), and I especially applaud his ranking of Yike (Tony) Yang in last place among the ten finalists. What were the other jurors thinking to rank Yang so high?
Edits: 10/28/15
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