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In Reply to: RE: You're not seeing the big picture. Jazz record labels became unprofitable/unsustainable in the '60s posted by Rick W on May 04, 2015 at 12:20:36
The advent of long-playing records and stereophonic records coincided with the evolution of jazz from big band dance hall music to small ensemble be bop and post bop. Jazz as America's "classical" music was also somewhat aligned with the conservative social mood of the country.
While I agree with your assessment that the '50s may have been the beginning of the end, as jazz transitioned away from dance music, the most successful artists like Nat King Cole and Frank Sinatra still owed their underlying musical support to jazz.
I would argue that jazz in many ways DID die with Lion's retirement. Sure, it would continue to be played (albeit often with electric instruments and increasingly unworkable "fusion" arrangements) and celebrated up through today. But with the occasional exception, jazz is almost always at its best when it raises the spectre of its golden age, emulates its pioneers or most explosive and classic musicians and composers. If you focus on the rule and not the exceptions to the rule--of which there are some great examples--you'll have to admit I am right.
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You cited 5 titles and tried to extrapolate a position based on those few exceptions to the rule. At least I focused on the plight of record labels, which is a much better barometer. You're perfectly welcome to disagree but you haven't done a lot to explain your reasoning, and digressing into sarcasm isn't helping you.
LOL! Got that Rick?
Dave
Your failure to explain why you disagree is tantamount to admitting I'm right.
It's common knowledge that the popularity of jazz evaporated in the '60s.
Your posts border on the absurd. So many cliches in the posts...you left out the jazz musicians with the track marks in their arms as contributing to the demise of jazz.
My lack of response is because you are clearly not worth the time to explain all the ways you are misinformed.
But the short of it is, jazz stopped being pop music in the mid '40s, and your view of Alfred Lion is based more on eBay prices and internet hype than reality.
You claiming to be right does not make it so.
Dave
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