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In Reply to: RE: Toccata and Fugue in d minor -- like you've never heard it before. posted by Poles Apart on November 11, 2011 at 11:59:03
not to mention washing them
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I think the evaporation of the water (or whatever fluid used) would make perfect tuning next to impossible...........
Rather than equal temperament.
Of course I approve.
Any perfect pitchers here?
JM
But very good nonetheless. Especially considering it must be changing by the minute. But perhaps it is just and perfect, I don't know.
What I was trying to suggest is that the fifths between D and A were pure and not tempered; that all the intervals were tuned to work without beating in the home key of the piece, so he didn't care what a remote key that the piece did not modulate into would sound like, because he didn't have to play it.
So, I am assuming everyone knows the difference between modern piano "equal" temperament, where the "Pythagorean Comma" fifth/octave error gets distributed evenly among all 12 half-steps, and earlier just or mean-tone tuning regimens.
Another poster has said that this clip is from a documentary. That makes me think that he would tune the glasses to sound best in the one key he had to play in. But of course, there are lots of glasses, and as you say, the pitch could have been changing as the water evaporated.
The tuning just sounded less compromised than most organ versions I have heard.
I know I have a bit of a bee in my bonnet about tuning and temperaments...
JM
Maybe, but I used to tune a harpsichord entirely by ear, and maybe I didn't do a perfect job, but I'll bet it sounded a lot more like equal temperment than anything else. IMO most listeners get used to the equal tempered fifth, and anything else will sound strange, at least at first. [ed. - Actually the equal tempered fifth is very close to the just tempered fifth, other intervals are much further off. I guess it would be interesting to see if my harpsichord was closer to equal or just temperment.]There used to be a series of tests online where you could test your musical ears, including a test that played two tones around 500 Hz closer and closer together until you couldn't tell which was sharper and which flatter. When I took the test repeatedly with no rest breaks, my ears grew progressively less sensitive to the difference in pitch. IMO, my ears and brain wanted to hear the two closely similar pitches as the same and gradually but increasingly rejected the dissonant difference. And so people get used to and accept the errors of equal temperment.
Edits: 11/14/11
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