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In Reply to: RE: Art and music: can non-intellectuals appreciate post-19th century music posted by tinear on March 11, 2011 at 10:59:41
music more on an intellectual level than an emotional level. I am exactly the opposite - if it doesn't "speak" to me I don't listen to it. That does NOT mean I don't like Stravinski, Dello Joio, Janacek or oh so many others.Cacophony is something up with which I will not put (apologies to Churchill)
"Man is the only animal that blushes - or needs to" Mark Twain
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All classifications are arbitrary. (I've spent my whole life as an analyst, and I ought to know.)
They thus have costs attached to them. Some of which your friend is being blinkered by.
Intellectuals frequently suffer from categories and classes. Plato and his 'ideal' forms are a complete dead end, you see.
When I listen to music I am hearing the score and feeling at the same time. I also am certain that my response to music at home or at concerts or when performing ..... is very strongly affected by my having performed since I was nine.
When I am singing, I am working on getting my part right -with- the others singing our line/part, and the other singers, follow the conductor, get my cues from the Organ or other sung parts. ALL at once.
I am also at the same time being affected by the whole thing.
Who says men can't multi-task?! ;-)!
20C Western art music simply reflects an increasing sense of ennui, foreboding, anomie, and alienation. All as predicted by Weber.
Mahler, and Spengler both spring to mind.
Warmest
Timothy Bailey
The Skyptical Mensurer and Audio Scrounger
And gladly would he learn and gladly teach - Chaucer. ;-)!
'Still not saluting.'
http://www.theanalogdept.com/tim_bailey.htm
was mine not his.
"Man is the only animal that blushes - or needs to" Mark Twain
anyone else.
Separating our thoughts and feelings is pretty hard as Outside and WC obviously and most other fora here subtly demonstrate.
Warmest
Timothy Bailey
The Skyptical Mensurer and Audio Scrounger
And gladly would he learn and gladly teach - Chaucer. ;-)!
'Still not saluting.'
http://www.theanalogdept.com/tim_bailey.htm
Indeed that is very true. I should probably clarify a bit. I discussed this with him at one time and he disagreed but - interestingly - his wife did not.This fellow's interests were nurtured by my Dad to a great degree but he has taken them far and away beyond. Of course we're talking a 45-year time span as well. (actually 55-years if you include the time before Dad died). His musical knowledge far outstrips mine at this point.
What we were discussing was the fact that he enjoyed a lot of music that I cannot relate to (and vice versa) even tho we shared many experiences growing up. As an example, Stravinski generally reaches me emotionally while Schoenberg, generally, does not. I can listen to and enjoy it but it's on a totally separate plane.
Even at a Symphonic concert, If I am into it, my feet will involuntarily tap. Some folks look at me like I am weird. (OK - perhaps I am).
If I'm not "into" it the only thing that results is a sore ass.
So - I suppose my only real point is that the same music can be enjoyed (or not) by many different people on many different levels/planes.
Did I send you the "Music Inn" link? That was one place where we had a shared interest/experience. Just in case - I'm sending it again. Time and again I wish I had more fully appreciatedd just what we were living through at the time. I thought it would never end.
"Man is the only animal that blushes - or needs to" Mark Twain
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