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RE: The Limage works.

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In Reply to: RE: The Limage works. posted by zulugone on April 27, 2015 at 14:30:28

Great report, thanks zulugone!

Few questions:

- "In order to do this I have to have the speakers facing me and not perpendicular to the side walls". In all discussions regarding the limage setup, it is always said that speakers MUST be perpendicular to the side wall, or otherwise it just don't work. Any comments on this?
- What shape & size is your room?

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RE: The Limage works. - zulugone 07:36:12 04/28/15 (6)
Here are links to the Limage website. If you click on the first pic you get a slide show with many pics of setups without text.
http://www.1pekingroad.com/zaspx/replies.aspx?topicsno=3&subjectno=874&uppersubjectno=874
http://www.1pekingroad.com

My room is 13 feet by 20' 7" and the ceiling height is 7' 9". When I bought the house the room was wood paneling and ceiling tile. This caused lots of ringing. One long wall is sheetrock with book shelves and the other floor to ceiling wood bookshelves. I can remove the wooden bookshelves and then I have a room that is 23' by 20' 7" with a post in the middle. I was planning on combining stereo and pool table in the space but that vision is fading. The floor is concrete with a temporary carpet. My objective is to figure out how to finish the space for listening to music.
- RE: The Limage works. - AkuAnkka 10:15:26 04/28/15 (5)
  Well yeah, that page says nothing if the speakers could be toed-in or not, and it also does not have any mention if they should be just besides the side wall or not.
  
  So where from comes this quite common instruction that for limage setup Maggies should perpendicular to the side wall, touching it??
  - RE: The Limage works. - zulugone 12:28:57 04/28/15 (3)
    That was my reaction. My guess was the picture with the big Maggies showed them perpendicular and close to the wall and that worked well for people on this forum but I don't know that for a fact. Mr. Li mentions that people need to work with real world living spaces but he also says you may need to get a new house :).
    - Limage CAN Work - Swamis Cat 13:19:26 04/28/15 (2)
      My experience with Limage is mixed. It has pros and cons in my room and gear with my listening tastes.
      
      My room is 20 X 14 and I have two models -- a refurbished set of 3a's and a new set of 3.7i's which I can swap in or out. (Obviously I listen almost exclusively to the new ones -- and the old fellas are usually kept upstairs). I also have a pair of DWM's and a Rhythmic Sub which I can use or not use depending upon what sounds best.
      
      The benefit of Limage set up in my room with my speakers is amazing, otherworldly soundstage and imaging. Everything is behind the speakers and spread out with realism. I can hear and see depth. In addition, image size is laser focused -- an acoustic guitar naturally miked sounds exactly guitar sized with no image blur or waiver even across frequency extremes.
      
      The problem with Limage in my room with my newer speakers is that everything becomes slightly ghostly or ethereal. Instruments and dynamics are nowhere near as clear or crisp and bass loses some snap. In addition, micro dynamics are kind of lost.
      
      I can regain a bit of the dynamic punch by aiming the tweeters directly at the listening seat. But I get significantly more by moving the speakers and listening position to a more traditional rule of thirds setup. This gives a more natural and lively tone to all music, but at the expense of the huge and holographic Limage soundstage.
      
      To be frank, I switch back and forth between the two. I have all the key positions marked, and can switch the room in minutes. Whenever I switch I always find the improvement to be dramatic -- regardless whether I am going forward or back. Last night I moved to the rule of thirds setting and was extremely impressed by how much better everything sounded. The speakers sound much more expensive. When I swith back to Limage or Limage with toe in, I will be impressed by how much better the soundstage gets and how much more I am drawn into the music.
      
      For what it is worth. I am sure results would differ with the room. They also differ based upon model -- the i's are much more directional imo.
      - RE: Limage CAN Work - Roger Gustavsson 22:41:27 04/28/15 (1)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Limage CAN Work posted by Swamis Cat on April 28, 2015 at 13:19:26
        
        Limage does not work in my room. The focus is blurred and the soundstaging is ill defined. I think the area behind the speakers need a lot of attention with a Limage setup. In my room, I still get a better result with widely spaced 3.6, backwave going into the corners, tweeters on the outside and heavily toed-in.
        
        RE: Limage CAN Work - Bigjimsguitars 14:08:52 04/29/15 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Limage CAN Work posted by Roger Gustavsson on April 28, 2015 at 22:41:27
        
        I think so much is the room itself and what it brings to the table. I have been fiddling around a bit more and the rule of 3rds work the best for my room. Have about 12 degree of toe-in and have them leaning forward about 7 degrees, this is where the soundstsge is the purest and without any smear.
        
        Jim
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  - RE: The Limage works. - zulugone 10:21:22 04/28/15 (0)
    That was my reaction. My guess was the picture with the big Maggies showed them perpendicular and close to the wall and that worked well for people on this forum but I don't know that for a fact. Mr. Li mentions that people need to work with real world living spaces but he also says you may need to get a new house :).

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