- Posted by pictureguy (A) on January 20, 2011 at 22:07:08
In Reply to: RE: A message from Wendell at Magnepan posted by gtb75 on January 19, 2011 at 07:20:49
I've read a lot of this thread. Some for and some against Wendell's post.
Well, I'm going to try to understand what Wendell said and 'read between the lines'.
Fact is, Magnepan is a very small company. How many employees in total? A couple in the front office. The nice lady at the desk in front....she fields the calls and routes them to the right people.
Maybe somebody in shipping if you need a simple part. Maybe Wendell himself (happened to me) if it is a more technical question. If you are a dealer? Maybe somebody handles these guys. Point being? Everybody that counts in the executive side of the company is probably sitting within 50 feet of one another. tops. Somebody orders stuff...from coffee filters to rolls of mylar for production. Somebody keeps track of the $$ and makes sure we stay 'on budget'.
The factory floor? I don't know how this is organized, but there are doubtless 'lead workers' and 'supervisors' and 'line operators'. Working in teams, they move product from station to station and end up with speakers for YOU and ME.
The expense of hiring and training must be balanced with the benefit of increased (good?) production and most importantly DEMAND.
So, how many people do you think actually work there? 40? 50? 60? More? Fewer?
Maybe 20% of everyone NEVER builds product. I don't know, it might be a greater or lesser number. Point? It is a SMALL company. Very little R+D money. Innovation? Glacial and Evolutionary. The Ribbon? Wow, how did THAT happen? But man, they are getting some major mileage out of it. QR? Great innovation. NOT revolution.
My conclusion? Give 'em a break. A Magnepan SE? (special edition) will NEVER happen. No resources exist to do this. If some 'Angel' showed up with money for 'special projects'....Hire a couple engineers....rent lab space....buy 'em 'stuff' and wait a year for a 'result', he'd have to cut a check for half a mil...at least. Than, if say....the 'brain trust' said 'Wood is the way to go along with upgraded external active crossover'......you'd have a heck of a time establishing a NEW LINE to manufacture the goods. You'd have to hire say.....PG to BUILD the frames and set up the line. Some other electronically inclined type to get the crossover end going.
Nope, Not any time soon. they've got a pretty full plate.
Too much is never enough
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- And yet... - E-Stat 08:30:48 01/22/11
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- In Reply to: RE: The truth about Magnepan? posted by pictureguy on January 20, 2011 at 22:07:08
A Magnepan SE? (special edition) will NEVER happen. No resources exist to do this.
Dr. West, with even fewer resources, has made a Sound Lab "SE" for many years. I've visited the production facility and can attest that it is efficient, but modest. I met almost every worker.
What constitutes the differences between the special version ("U" series) and the others? Higher quality bits in the power supply and the use of a heavy, rigid metal frame - at a pretty large delta in price given that the fabrication of the frame is outsourced to SL specifications. Any benefits? Well, the current wooden frames of all the models now use tongue in groove assembly to more closely match the rigidity of the metal frame. And according to Brian Walsh, the tweaked "hot rod" backplate is now standard on the "U" series and the 845 and 945.
My perception is that the experience of the halo product has improved other models and apparently enough folks have chosen to pay for the improved electronics, hence its wider use today. I will agree that it is difficult to argue with success, but I think there is industry precedence for economically producing an ultimate Maggie.
rw
- Wasn't that the 20.1? - josh358 18:31:50 01/23/11
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- In Reply to: RE: And yet... posted by E-Stat on January 22, 2011 at 08:30:48
And before that, the Tympani IV/IVA?
Unfortunately, I think they sat on their laurels too long. When the 20.1 was released, it could compete with any speaker made. It's so good that it just made HP's editors choice, over a decade after it was introduced. But for some reason, there was a long period during which Magnepan stopped tweaking their models. That allowed the competition to progress.
Now that that's over, I think we'll be seeing a 20.2, maybe that rumored $40,000 Tympani. If they return to form, they'll recapture a spot at the top of the market.
- Maybe so - E-Stat 06:03:44 01/24/11
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- In Reply to: RE: Wasn't that the 20.1? posted by josh358 on January 23, 2011 at 18:31:50
but I think it never had the relative market position that the T-III enjoyed back in '74 when I first heard them.
It's so good that it just made HP's editors choice...
It was his "nicely driven" pair that I heard some years ago. First, by itself and later in his multi-channel setup. My next visit is scheduled for next month and I am looking forward to hearing some new Maggies in that environment.
rw
- RE: Maybe so - josh358 09:22:08 01/24/11
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- In Reply to: RE: Maybe so posted by E-Stat on January 24, 2011 at 06:03:44
Let us know what they're like. I still haven't even heard the 1.7, want to wait at least until the mini maggie is in the stores before I make the trip (curious about the 3.7 too, but it's too big to be an option for me).
- RE: Maybe so - josh358 09:22:08 01/24/11
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- Maybe so - E-Stat 06:03:44 01/24/11
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- RE: And yet... - pictureguy 09:08:49 01/22/11
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- In Reply to: RE: And yet... posted by E-Stat on January 22, 2011 at 08:30:48
I agree. A 'Halo' model has effects all down the line.
In the case of SoundLab, how much do they do 'in house' vs having fabricated by a vendor?
In the case of say....electronics.... you pay someone to make the new stuff or modify the regular production. If the modified and regular are made by the same people, it is fairly easy to spec a better part or perhaps some design changes.
I simply don't know enough about how Magnepan conducts business to judge if they could make a 'SE' model.
If, as I suspect, it is a very small company with virtually everyone knowing everyone and spouses talking, then very little room exists for limited run stuff. Maybe they insist on everything being done in-house? Maybe they don't think a 4000$ 1.7 would sell? Or a 3.7 at 8500$?
Too much is never enough
- RE: And yet... - E-Stat 11:28:03 01/23/11
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- In Reply to: RE: And yet... posted by pictureguy on January 22, 2011 at 09:08:49
Their core competency is the design and fabrication of the panels and electronics. I'm pretty sure all the cabinetry along with the steel frames found on the "U" series is outsourced. The electronics are pretty much hand assembled as well, so I suspect there is no "re-purposing" of standard units.
Maybe they don't think a 4000$ 1.7 would sell? Or a 3.7 at 8500$?
No, but a $25k "super 20.1" might. I seriously considered buying 20.1s and heard an exceptionally well driven pair. I just didn't find the same level of coherency or low level resolution that my stats provide. FWIW, it was Maggies that turned me into a planar fan back in the 70s and I've owned them before.
rw
- RE: And yet... - josh358 18:37:36 01/23/11
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- In Reply to: RE: And yet... posted by E-Stat on January 23, 2011 at 11:28:03
I suspect that to get that level of low-level resolution they'd have to radically change their technology, e.g., using a true ribbon for the midrange, or perhaps the most advanced planar magnetic tech of the sort being used by Wisdom in their in-wall designs -- though the related BG planar drivers don't seem quite the equal of stats or true ribbons in clarity, just very, very close.
EDIT -- I do think that a 20.2 with quasi-ribbon bass might improve to some extent on both of the parameters you mentioned.
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- RE: And yet... - josh358 18:37:36 01/23/11
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- RE: And yet... - E-Stat 11:28:03 01/23/11
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- Wasn't that the 20.1? - josh358 18:31:50 01/23/11
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- yep - wazoo 04:49:39 01/21/11
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- In Reply to: RE: The truth about Magnepan? posted by pictureguy on January 20, 2011 at 22:07:08
It just sounded to me like Wendell was defending the company for which he works (to them, we must sound rather condescending at times). It just sounded like he (Magnepan) didn't want to rain on our parade, and that they have tinkered with our ideas and much, much more. Given the amount of time between new models, I find that highly likely. As the manufacturer, however, their options are much more limited than ours. Any change they make must be audible to a very wide audience as an improvement and it must also be cost effective. If doing X will double the production cost, then it's a stillborn idea.
There are parallels in the auto industry. Much of what I read here about a special edition reminds me of a repeating theme on s2ki.com (an S2000 enthusiast website) - Honda needs to build another sports car like the S2000! Honda discontinued that model, but over the course of 10 years they produced about 110,000 of them. That is an amazing number when one considers that Honda only intended to produce the car for one year to celebrate their 50th anniversary. It was not an assembly line automobile and it shared nothing with the rest of Honda's fleet. It was truly a special edition and they lost a ton of money producing them. For 10 years, Honda ate that loss - offset by the hundreds of thousands Accords and Civics sold each year. Magnepan simply doesn't have that luxury.
Another parallel exists in the aftermarket for each product. There are literally thousands of aftermarket products available to the S2000 owner who wants to modify his car. I've seen photos of some that are hardly recognizable. A few have installed Chevy V8 engines in theirs. The list of possibilities is staggering. Many have changed their suspension. My CR is almost purely stock, just like my 3.6s. To each his own.
"Information is not knowledge.
Knowledge is not wisdom.
Wisdom is not truth.
Truth is not beauty.
Beauty is not love.
Love is not music.
Music is THE BEST." FZ
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- they'd be crazy - Green Lantern 00:24:37 01/25/11
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- In Reply to: RE: yep posted by wazoo on January 21, 2011 at 04:49:39
if they didn't visit these types of forums.
I mean think about it: where else could you pool resources ranging from every room style imaginable, absolutely every demographic imaginable, every tweak worked, re-worked, then scrutinized and placed into pratice, along with thousands of listening hours combined; and all simply for the price of a cup of coffee a day.
"You don't have to be faster than the lion....
just the guy running next to you.." -anonymous
- RE: yep - pictureguy 13:33:42 01/21/11
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- In Reply to: RE: yep posted by wazoo on January 21, 2011 at 04:49:39
As a former S-2000 owner, I can personally assure you it was UNIQUE.
Extremely fast...and even a little twitchy, at times (2003 model) The suspension was, I think, slightly tweaked each model year. Starting in '04, the engine was enlarged and the redline lowered from 9000rpm (yikes!) to a 'mere' 8k. At 2hp per cubic inch for the 2liter, non-turbo, it was also one of the highest specific output engines ever in a car. (piston). The torque increase? minor. Piston speed was perhaps the highest of any street car....ever. Huge numbers. I ran the highest octane I could find and used ONLY synthetic oil. Summer only tires were best, but since I was a year round driver, I ran Pilot Sport all season tires. Not the best for handling, but at least I didn't see God while driving in the rain. No matter HOW conservatively I drove.
Mine? The first year for the glass rear window.
If I wanted a sports car today? Miata. A couple years old and maybe with a hardtop. Not as fast, but just as much fun. And isn't that what it's all about?
Too much is never enough
- S-freak - wazoo 20:04:16 01/21/11
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- In Reply to: RE: yep posted by pictureguy on January 21, 2011 at 13:33:42
I had two, but I sold my '06 - big mistake. My '08 CR (#349 of 688) may still be a convertible, but it's a take the top off and leave it at home convertible. I should have kept my standard S2000, although this gives me the opportunity to find a low mileage '03. That was a good year - the last for the AP1 which had a somewhat different character from the AP2 (even more manic).
Honda's Japanese website has some videos of the production plant in Suzuka (see link below - no need to install the language pack (just hit cancel and continue)). Those cars not only don't share components with the rest of Honda's fleet, but they weren't built like the rest of Honda's fleet either. It's simply amazing that they produced that car for 10 years.
I've driven a Miata (Mazdaspeed), as well as a Z4, 370Z and a Boxter - I'll take the S2000 over any of them. It's just the most visceral, raw and pure sports car of the bunch. I even drove a Solstice before Pontiac met its demise - eh, it looks nice. I was looking for my midlife crisis car and found automotive true love in the S.
The thing about the S2K forum and Honda is that there is a tremendous amount of mutual respect. Shigeru Uehara has even attended S2000 meets and been honored by the S2K community. We're a rabid bunch, and many mod the hell out of their S2000s, but everyone (even the most mod-happy) praises the manufacturer for building the perfect sports car.
"Information is not knowledge.
Knowledge is not wisdom.
Wisdom is not truth.
Truth is not beauty.
Beauty is not love.
Love is not music.
Music is THE BEST." FZ
- Way cool! - E-Stat 08:15:01 01/22/11
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- In Reply to: RE: S-freak posted by wazoo on January 21, 2011 at 20:04:16
My '01 will turn ten this summer and I've enjoyed every single year.
rw
- 10 years with an S - that's way cool!!! - wazoo 16:37:34 01/22/11
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- In Reply to: RE: Way cool! posted by E-Stat on January 22, 2011 at 08:15:01
Those videos look kind of weird, but they do give an indication of how the S2000 was built - no moving line and lots of work carried out by human hands. How they sold that car for the price they charged is beyond me - all those Accords and Civics, I'm sure.
Another really cool thing about these cars is their Honda reliability. There are guys that drive them to the track, run the snot out of them, and then drive them home. As John Cameron Swayze used to say, they'll take a licking and keep on ticking. Back in 2000, I salivated over the S2K but it just wasn't practical. I swore I'd get one though.
How many miles on your '01? What color is it? Stock or modified in some way? It's great to hear that you've continued to enjoy it. I joined the party a bit late, but I'm something of a fanatic. It's a blast to drive!
"Information is not knowledge.
Knowledge is not wisdom.
Wisdom is not truth.
Truth is not beauty.
Beauty is not love.
Love is not music.
Music is THE BEST." FZ
- RE: 10 years with an S - that's way cool!!! - E-Stat 11:20:55 01/23/11
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- In Reply to: RE: 10 years with an S - that's way cool!!! posted by wazoo on January 22, 2011 at 16:37:34
Just turned 81k. It's a daily driver, but neither the wife nor I drive it on trips. We take the TL on those occasions. It's silver (pics in my gallery) and pretty much stock. I added a mesh grill and use a K&N filter. The plastic rear window had cracked and was getting kinda smoky, but Zoe the cat clawed through a section in the ragtop requiring a replacement. We got an aftermarket version which has glass.
rw
- thanks - nice (like the bike too) - wazoo 20:52:37 01/23/11
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- In Reply to: RE: 10 years with an S - that's way cool!!! posted by E-Stat on January 23, 2011 at 11:20:55
The extent of my modifications are the K&N short ram intake (really added a throaty exhaust note from 2nd through 6th) and replacing the Honda emblems with Rick's S badges (adds to the mystique of the car - most people don't know what the hell it is ;-). At 81K, you have lots of life left in your '01 - don't ever let it go! I always liked silver cars.
Thanks for mentioning the gallery. I finally got around to putting a few pictures in mine. Of course, I added a couple of the S.
"Information is not knowledge.
Knowledge is not wisdom.
Wisdom is not truth.
Truth is not beauty.
Beauty is not love.
Love is not music.
Music is THE BEST." FZ
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- thanks - nice (like the bike too) - wazoo 20:52:37 01/23/11
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- RE: 10 years with an S - that's way cool!!! - E-Stat 11:20:55 01/23/11
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- S love - Kiefer74.1 12:49:32 01/22/11
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- In Reply to: RE: Way cool! posted by E-Stat on January 22, 2011 at 08:15:01
I thought there was at least one S owner here besides myself. I joined s2ki back in '03 when I bought an S of the same year (black/black). Haven't visited the site in a long time (or this one for that matter), but both were helpful and a joy to find.
- S lovers (pleasantly off topic) - wazoo 16:40:03 01/22/11
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- In Reply to: RE: S love posted by Kiefer74.1 on January 22, 2011 at 12:49:32
I figured there had to be others here as well, and it's great to hear from a few. My first sports car was a '69 Lotus Europa in the late '70s. I'd never owned a convertible before my first S2000. I keep kicking myself for selling it because now my CR is my daily driver (though I only work 3 days a week). I've been toying with the idea of picking up an '03 for DD duties so I can put the CR away (for the most part). My wife thinks it's nuts, and that I should get something more practical to drive every day. The problem with that is I'd be miserable driving something else every day.
Once you drive this car (hard), nothing else is any fun ;-)
"Information is not knowledge.
Knowledge is not wisdom.
Wisdom is not truth.
Truth is not beauty.
Beauty is not love.
Love is not music.
Music is THE BEST." FZ
- RE: S lovers (pleasantly off topic) - Kiefer74.1 21:55:24 01/26/11
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- In Reply to: RE: S lovers (pleasantly off topic) posted by wazoo on January 22, 2011 at 16:40:03
Ok, so I'm late to reply once again...
You mentioned a 'Bike' in the other post....were you referring to mine (or should I say my beloved ex-bike)?
Anyway, I only have a few very minor mods to my S, being shift knob, and stereo system (no need to go crazy in any car IMO, but especially most convertibles), I don't think I've done much else besides enjoy the drive... (I gotta admit the latest Z4 has merit, but it's not a realistic from a $ point of view for me so...well, let it go!)
I checked out the CR when it came out and not having a regular softop didn't seem like a reasonable solution for a DD. Plus I really dig the 9k redline that ended in the states in '04 (as I'm sure you know). I've driven a few 04+ models (this and other cars) and am almost always happy with what I have. Like having a 360 would be realistic as a DD (understated car IMO though!).
BTW, I see you got some 3.6's and apparently a new listening room? Sorry I haven't been on here in a while so I hope I have that correct...anyway I hope you enjoy and feel pretty confident that you are!
Cheers,
Jon
P.S. I Get %^&* on a regular basis for not having a more 'people friendly' car, but the trade off???
- you are correct - wazoo 17:06:52 01/27/11
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- In Reply to: RE: S lovers (pleasantly off topic) posted by Kiefer74.1 on January 26, 2011 at 21:55:24
We were doing some work on the house and started kicking the idea around about adding a separate garage, so we ended up with a 40x30' with a manroom above it. No matter what one does, he ends up wishing he'd done things a little differently - I wish we built a 44x36' instead, but I shouldn't complain. Did you arrive at that conclusion after looking at the photos I put in my gallery? I'm digging the 3.6s, but I sometimes wonder if 20.1s would have fit (I was pretty sure my room was too narrow at 16' - with an 8' wide screen in the middle).
I'm a dumbass; I also replaced my shift knob (Momo airmetal/leather) and that crappy stereo. All of the speakers and amp are JL Audio, as is the stealth sub in the trunk. I went with a Pioneer DEH-P710BT head unit to get bluetooth - gotta have hands free cell phone capability when driving a car with a manual transmission (actually, that should be true for an automatic too).
You're right about the softop vs hardtop. I'm a little slow; an idea just hit me! I could buy another hardtop and keep it at the shop. I could drive topless to the shop and if weather threatens, I could put the other top on the car. Why didn't I think of that sooner? Wow, am I ever glad I started this little sub-thread. Thanks for getting my mind working on this problem - I think I just had a great idea ;-))
I'd still love to find an unmolested, low mileage '03 for a DD. I really don't enjoy driving other cars as much as the S, and who knows what a very low mileage CR might be worth some day? Honda didn't make very many of them - about 1000.
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I was referring to E-Stat's motorcycle in the other post. Check out his picture gallery and you'll see it. I've ridden some motorcycles, but I've never owned one. My wife isn't too keen on the idea, and she's so cool about everything else that I just don't push it.
"Information is not knowledge.
Knowledge is not wisdom.
Wisdom is not truth.
Truth is not beauty.
Beauty is not love.
Love is not music.
Music is THE BEST." FZ
- RE: you are correct - Kiefer74.1 20:25:52 02/01/11
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- In Reply to: RE: you are correct posted by wazoo on January 27, 2011 at 17:06:52
I guess I was just testing my memory. I visited this site a few months ago and was pretty sure I saw some pics with your new 3.6's and a new room to boot! I never got a chance to say congrats, so...Congrats!!!
Yeah, hindsight is 20-20, but at least you're not in downgrade mode! My new place has been a disaster for my systems and I've been considering changes all 'round.
So you're thinking of the 20.1's already ;) How high is your ceiling and did you acquire some new amps as well? Anyway, I have yet to hear the 20x's sounds bad, but yes, sometimes far from optimal. I would love to have a pair even in my far less than optimal position, but reality comes back ;)
Funny you mention bluetooth in the car...I'm getting a new deck just for that capability and might even install an old amp (after I dust it off), but no sub. I opened up that area of the trunk by putting the tools in a blanket/throw and put in with the spare tire...DD including groceries etc...I had my old subs, also JL's, stolen when I moved from NY to OH back in '03 (I really loved what they could do in my old RX-7...do they even make W6's anymore? Guess I'll check after I post this). I have an MB Quart/ "something" combo and no sub (the tweeters change every year or two when I blow 'em...hence the thought of bring an amp back in the mix sounds like a good idea in more than one way. I run the MB's open and just put a cap on the tweeters to keep the distortion low. As I said, I'm not really into car audio anymore (at least in this car).
...speaking of..The extra top at the shop, that sounds like a great idea to me. You can find some great deals via s2kI or Ebay instead of buying through a dealer. Yup, I do love my '03! I plan to keep it for a long time and would love to do one of the Drives if I was able.
Anyway, I'm starting to ramble on...I'll check out E-stats bike...how do you reach the galleries? I've either been off here a long time or just never looked any further than the posts and general MUG forum!
Regards,
Jon
- RE: you are correct - Kiefer74.1 20:25:52 02/01/11
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- you are correct - wazoo 17:06:52 01/27/11
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- RE: S lovers (pleasantly off topic) - Kiefer74.1 21:55:24 01/26/11
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- S lovers (pleasantly off topic) - wazoo 16:40:03 01/22/11
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- 10 years with an S - that's way cool!!! - wazoo 16:37:34 01/22/11
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- Way cool! - E-Stat 08:15:01 01/22/11
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- S-freak - wazoo 20:04:16 01/21/11
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- one wonders... - slapshot 10:56:02 01/21/11
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- In Reply to: RE: yep posted by wazoo on January 21, 2011 at 04:49:39
...do owners of maggies keep them longer than owners of other speaker types? I can't imagine changing speakers until my current 1.6s break, and they seem to be doing fine now going on 15 plus years.
The longer the speakers last, and the longer people are happy with them, the worse it is for Magnepan...that is, they don't get much repeat business. As such, they would be a victim of their own success, so to speak.
- I've had the AR91s that are in my bedroom for 30 years. - wazoo 20:14:12 01/21/11
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- In Reply to: RE: one wonders... posted by slapshot on January 21, 2011 at 10:56:02
I've completely overhauled them. As long as I can buy another set of surrounds for them 15 or so years from now, I see no reason why they won't see 50+ years of service. I have another set of new tweeters boxed up in the closet (just in case).
Still, I get your point. Of course, I still have my MMGs, but now I also have a pair of 3.6s. I also have a pair of MMGCs that I use as surround speakers. I bet there are quite a few owners with more than one set of Maggies.
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I have a pair of Klipsch Heresy speakers (actually, my son has them now) and a pair of JBL L112s that are roughly the same age as the ARs - the Klipsch are untouched and I've replaced surrounds on the JBLs. In fact, I also have a pair of JBL C50 Olympians that an uncle bought in 1970 - a restoration project awaiting completion (about halfway done).
"Information is not knowledge.
Knowledge is not wisdom.
Wisdom is not truth.
Truth is not beauty.
Beauty is not love.
Love is not music.
Music is THE BEST." FZ
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- RE: I've had the AR91s that are in my bedroom for 30 years. - IEaudiodude 11:00:53 01/22/11
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- In Reply to: RE: I've had the AR91s that are in my bedroom for 30 years. posted by wazoo on January 21, 2011 at 20:14:12
Thanks wazoo now look what you've done, I only own two pairs of maggies, now your making me feel like some sort of outcast weirdo,so when my wife see's me trolling around ebay and Audiogon in the planar section the blood will be on your hands .........
- of course.... - wazoo 16:47:39 01/22/11
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- In Reply to: RE: I've had the AR91s that are in my bedroom for 30 years. posted by IEaudiodude on January 22, 2011 at 11:00:53
You'll also need to build a monster garage with a manroom above it so you'll have somewhere for that next pair to go. That should really get your blood spilling!
Somehow, I got away with it...so far ;-)
"Information is not knowledge.
Knowledge is not wisdom.
Wisdom is not truth.
Truth is not beauty.
Beauty is not love.
Love is not music.
Music is THE BEST." FZ
- RE: of course.... - 66mgb 18:42:32 01/22/11
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- In Reply to: RE: of course.... posted by wazoo on January 22, 2011 at 16:47:39
This tread has more posts than any other, do car's and Maggies relate ?? I have 66 MGB roadster 35, plus years, my daily driver and a 69 MGC 6 with 3 carbs.. my hot rod. I have rebuilt and restored both myself,, so I am a car tweaker as well as an audio one. PG should be grateful for the cottage industry MAgnepan has provide him. Instead PG seems to take offense at some slight that Magnepan has not given credit his efforts ! Perhaps some of the folks here are just a bit too thin skinned ! We are in reality, a bunch of nuts who spend far too much money in pursuit of audio nirvana.
- I think you drew a nice parallel. (where's RodH?) - wazoo 21:47:59 01/22/11
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- In Reply to: RE: of course.... posted by 66mgb on January 22, 2011 at 18:42:32
The relationship between cars and Maggies (or audio in general) is that each has its tweakers and its non-tweakers. You wouldn't own MGs if you weren't a tweaker. I think you characterized us pretty accurately - a bunch of nuts.
You should talk to RodH about your MGs ;-)
My old Lotus had twin Webers - one of those cars I wish that I had kept (even though, in my youthful stupidity, I wrecked it).
"Information is not knowledge.
Knowledge is not wisdom.
Wisdom is not truth.
Truth is not beauty.
Beauty is not love.
Love is not music.
Music is THE BEST." FZ
- I think you drew a nice parallel. (where's RodH?) - wazoo 21:47:59 01/22/11
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- RE: of course.... - 66mgb 18:42:32 01/22/11
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- of course.... - wazoo 16:47:39 01/22/11
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- Temptations?!?! - mrr 09:49:34 01/22/11
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- In Reply to: RE: I've had the AR91s that are in my bedroom for 30 years. posted by wazoo on January 21, 2011 at 20:14:12
Waz, Ever tempted to try the Heresy's in your new room with some tube power? I've got a restored Scott 399 tube receiver that I've been itching to try in my big rig room with some high eff. speakers. I just dont have any speakers efficient enough to really push me to the point of experimenting. Who knows..., maybe that's a good thing.
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- interesting proposition - wazoo 16:45:59 01/22/11
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- In Reply to: RE: Temptations?!?! posted by mrr on January 22, 2011 at 09:49:34
The problem is that I gave them to my son and he's a bit partial to them. I probably could have picked up a pair of Klipschorns though. Back in the early '80s, I had a friend in Germany with a pair and a sweet tube amp - they were fantastic!
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Actually, the JBL L112s I mentioned are my daughter's now, but at least she lives right next door. I handed down a couple of pretty darn good systems to my kids. They both love music and my daughter plays a wide assortment of musical instruments - quite well, I might add.
"Information is not knowledge.
Knowledge is not wisdom.
Wisdom is not truth.
Truth is not beauty.
Beauty is not love.
Love is not music.
Music is THE BEST." FZ
- interesting proposition - wazoo 16:45:59 01/22/11
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- RE: I've had the AR91s that are in my bedroom for 30 years. - IEaudiodude 11:00:53 01/22/11
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- I've had the AR91s that are in my bedroom for 30 years. - wazoo 20:14:12 01/21/11
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- they'd be crazy - Green Lantern 00:24:37 01/25/11
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