- Posted by gtb75 (A) on January 20, 2011 at 07:57:26
In Reply to: RE: Wow posted by Peter Gunn on January 20, 2011 at 07:02:09
Peter,
You state that "We come here because we do like them but we all, we all recognize they have inherent flaws" - that is simply not the case. And what the hell gives you the right to speak for "we all"? I've been coming to the MUG for years now, but my primary function was never modding them. I came here to find out what electronics pair well with them, how I can optimize my room placement/treatments, and to get the general feedback of others as to what works. Yes I see the modifications that others are doing and I purchased a set of Mye stands based on the things written here and on the AudiogoN forum, but I've never once had the desire to start tearing apart a pair of perfectly good speakers that sound just fine in my opinion. Is there potentially untapped performance in Magnepans, sure... That being said, I choose to unlock that potential by spending that money in other areas of my system - not by spending 2x to 3x the original purchase cost on modifying the speakers. Is that the right or wrong way to do it, I don't know? Is it how I personally choose to spend my money - yes.
Also, as a businessman myself, I would NEVER bash another vendor - especially not the one that my livelihood exists on... It just makes you look bad. You've posted 12 TIMES in this thread already - trying to get people to come around to your way of thinking on this subject. Give it a rest already! There are a number of forums I participate in which BAN manufacturers for this kind of conduct... Maybe the MUG should consider doing this as well? For the most part, people posting in this thread are positive about what Wendell took the time to write and are supportive of Magnepan. People in this thread aren't required to see it your way (or my way for that matter), so accept that fact and move on.
No you're not the only negative person in this thread, but the positives far outweigh the negatives here. While I haven't come out and directly asked him, I'd venture to say that you, more than any other single member, are what keeps him from actively participating here. Because of that, the whole group suffers... Think about that for a minute.
Feel free to respond to this if you'd like, I've said my piece and will not create a dozen posts trying to get people "on my side". This is an internet forum where people are entitled to have their own opinions... I'm able to accept that and move on - are you?
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- RE: Wow - Satie 14:08:13 01/20/11
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- In Reply to: RE: Wow posted by gtb75 on January 20, 2011 at 07:57:26
PG is a craftsman and has a carpenter's attitude towards what is a mechanical product.
The production issues and the QC issues bug him because he would not let come out of his workshop anything with the common QC nits and parts quality issues in the maggies.
Read his criticism with that in mind and it will make sense to you.
As with many other products in audio, the maggies leave alot more off the table than on it. The stock speakers are shadows of their potential.
There is no source upgrade you can make that would compare to the effect of bracing or triamping. I know because I did so. Many of the tweakers here have found it to be so too.
Being more frugal than the cool magnepan, I bought used and modified - the equivalent of a payment plan for a new large maggie and a super amp to drive them. But I ended up with something significantly better and at less than half the cost. But I went a little further than normal and dropped the original Tympani midrange for a line array of BG Neo8 drivers that have all the modern technology I always wished Magnepan managed to apply. Knowing what I did with my Tympani, I know that the retail price of it had Magnepan done so - essentially a Tympani with powered bass and high efficiency neodymium magnet push pull midrange. The retail price would be roughly
basic Tympani speaker: 14,000-15,000,
upgrade to Neodymium push pull midrange 5000
Powered bass panels (2 kw) class D 4000-5000
Electronic crossover (they would use a spec made Bryson 10b) 3000
Bracing structures 3000
Dealer assembly 2000
Total 32,000
They would sell about a dozen of these a year. Would it be a compelling value?
It would be against a set of large 90degree Soundlabs or just maybe a set of 45 degree Ultimate soundlabs.
- RE: Wow - Peter Gunn 11:40:47 01/20/11
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- In Reply to: RE: Wow posted by gtb75 on January 20, 2011 at 07:57:26
I'm not trying to make anyone agree with me. I simply stated my opinion. Honestly, free speech in this country is illegal unless you walkstep with the chosen mantra.
Some others entirely mis-represented my post, and I'm sorry, I'm not standing for that. If you don't like me defending myself, then by all means nobody is forcing you to read the posts, so don't. I can't fathom why people like you get uptight that I defend myself, but you don't get uptight that they entirely misread my post and turn it against me... but of course you did too, so perhaps that explains it.
So what you're saying is that since there are more of them posting who disagree with me (which is meaningless anyway because neither of us knows what the hundreds not posting think) that my opinion is invalid, and I should shut up and accept what you and they think?
How typical. You lambaste me for being arrogant but your unsupported suppositions are flying everywhere. Your comment I'd venture to say that you, more than any other single member, are what keeps him from actively participating here. is a perfect example. I happen to know for a fact that a person who talks to him on the phone regularly told me that he mentioned me to him - He had and has no idea who I am or what I do. But I am sorry I am the reason he doesn't talk nice to you.
I'm also sorry if I mis-catagorized what goes on here because I overlooked you and your 6 posts. But you and the rest of my detractors are free to put as big a smiley face on his post as you like. Unlike you I am not trying to control your opinion, or insult you for having it.
It's all about the music...
- I can only sat one thig (maybe more) - macmagman 17:31:40 01/20/11
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- In Reply to: RE: Wow posted by Peter Gunn on January 20, 2011 at 11:40:47
If it wasn't for the GREAT help from everyone here mostly Mr. Gunn I would have never entered into the great world of Magnepan. I was a 30 yr owner of Dahlquist DQ 10's and always loved the open sound. When I decided after 30 yrs to make a change Maggie's came into the picture. I was advised to make sure that the Maggie's I went to were 3 way and had a true ribbon tweeter. This left me with the 3 series. I can't plunk down 5K for new 3.6's and was (well) advised the used market is sketchey at best mostly due to the delam and ribbon issues. After spending some time here I was confident that I could fix the short commings and bought a set of 3.3's. Sure enough it had a blown tweeter and the delam issue. After some hours a very small investment in money, I have a new love affair and my mistress is Maggie.
This is all due to and made possible by all of the GREAT help that I have here, otherwise I would NEVER had made the plunge. DON'T stop what your doing even if it means some people get mad, you have not posted anything but the absolute truth. And who knows if I do someday have 5K there is no doubt I will buy new 3.7's and that's due to the great people here. Now excuse me I need to finish my newly constructed stands.
Dan
- OOPs I ment to say, say one thing (maybe more) (nt) - macmagman 17:34:03 01/20/11
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- In Reply to: RE: I can only sat one thig (maybe more) posted by macmagman on January 20, 2011 at 17:31:40
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- OOPs I ment to say, say one thing (maybe more) (nt) - macmagman 17:34:03 01/20/11
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- I can only sat one thig (maybe more) - macmagman 17:31:40 01/20/11
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