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Fanboys and Panboys

Fan - an ardent admirer
Pan - to criticize harshly

Yes I enjoy my Peter Gunn modded MMGs. Very much. I've listened to a LOT of speakers over the years and I am very happy with my modded MMGs. They compare very favorably with many expensive and respected speakers. But, that's not the point of this post.

Yes, the fans of Peter Gunn's mods are very happy with the sonic improvements to their speakers. In fact, EVERY person who owns them is happy and enjoys them.

The critics do seem rather aggressive in their displeasure with these speakers. It all seems very odd in that NOT A SINGLE critic has actually listened to these speakers.

Of course anyone is free to participate in the Planar Forum. It just seems odd that there are people that post here only for the purpose of bashing Peter Gunn's mod and advise. There is one person who on a different forum is a long term contributor with good advise, experience and good humor. He comes to the Planar Forum and is a useless, critical, unbalanced jerk. Why come here for this crazy stuff? That's what the Outside Forum is for.

This Planar Forum is a place for the discussion of all things Planar. Being a Magnepan owner I feel for the proud owners of the other fine planars (Quad, Electrostat, Martin Logan, Eminent Technology, etc.). This forum is overwhelingly Magnepan users, but I do read and enjoy the non-Maggie posts too.

Mart - If this post is too controversial, please feel free to delete it. I did not post this trolling for a brouhaha. Lately there have been alot of personal stalking sort of replies. Sorry if this just stirs the poo.

Follow Ups:

RE: Fanboys and Panboys - Rod H. 08:36:24 03/29/08 (8)
Seems like anyone who asks questions about the mods, and hasn't heard them, is being characterized as "harsh".
Rod

Edits: 03/29/08
- Not everyone, just the "Panboys" - DragonEars 18:49:56 03/29/08 (7)
  My OP reads:
  "The critics do seem rather aggressive in their displeasure with these speakers. It all seems very odd in that NOT A SINGLE critic has actually listened to these speakers."
  
  Questions are good and educational.
  A rare few, the "Panboys", are the one's that are critical and "harsh".
  
  I use "Panboys" because one of the most vociferous of them called Magnestand owners who posted or replied with comments "Fanboys".
  - RE: Not everyone, just the "Panboys" - Davey 07:59:31 03/30/08 (6)
    "Fan-boy" is not a derogatory comment in and of itself. Heck, I'm a "fan-boy" and follower myself....of Siegfried Linkwitz. :)
    However, "fan-boys" who respond with nothing more than the typical drivel are a bit irritating. If a person has something substantial to bring to the table, then they should bring it.
    The problem I have with the "PG situation" is that he and his paying customers are (apparently) the only ones qualified to comment upon the results. However, he makes the modification(s) information freely available for those who can't afford/wait for his (firsthand) efforts but then minimizes/rejects the efforts of those folks who tackle it. I'm not sure how he reconciles that. Pick 'em up so you can knock 'em down?
    In any case, I applaud those folks (like wazoo) who have tackled the project and brought their own flair/improvements to the results. Of course, they can't comment on the "real thing." :)
    Cheers,
    Dave.
    
    Edits: 03/30/08
    - Serious experimenters - DragonEars 00:28:06 03/31/08 (5)
      Davey
      
      You and Wazoo are the only two to experiment with a combination of mods similar to PG's (I could be wrong, I often am :-). It would be great if some lurkers were out there modding the hell out of their Maggies). Many people have done frame, crossover and strut mods, but you two are the only ones who have made such serious efforts and/or combined them similar to PG's Magnestand mods. Both of you also have contributed information to help others on this forum. That sort of information gives encouragement to those that don't have woodworking skills/experience/tools and are hesitant to tackle PG's full suite of mods.
      
      Most of the critics are just critical, without having heard or tried the mods.
      - RE: Serious experimenters - Rod H. 07:00:34 03/31/08 (4)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Serious experimenters posted by DragonEars on March 31, 2008 at 00:28:06
        
        > Most of the critics are just critical, without having heard or tried the mods.
        
        Who are these critics you are talking about? I don't see them.
        
        RE: Serious experimenters - DragonEars 19:09:25 03/31/08 (3)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Serious experimenters posted by Rod H. on March 31, 2008 at 07:00:34
        
        "> Most of the critics are just critical, without having heard or tried the mods.
        
        Who are these critics you are talking about? I don't see them."
        
        Not you. You are a respected member and modder with informative posts.
        
        I'm not naming names or quoting posts, but they are here. If I start pointing fingers and quoting posts, this'll turn into a melee again. Then poor Mart would have to wave his magic delete wand and make it disappear. Some of the juicy bits have already been sent to the bit bucket.
        
        I knew when I hit the "Post Message" button on the original post that this would draw ire from some folks. But, like an idiot, I did it anyway. I was just trying to make a point. Here? Yes. I already admitted I was/am an idiot.
        
        Now everyone who feels slighted will require a "No, it wasn't you" reply from me, until everyone is eliminated except the critics who never heard the speakers. It'll be like a game. Everyone can play! Okay, okay, okay... it was Colonel Mustard, in the library, with the lead pipe. :-)
        
        RE: Serious experimenters - Rod H. 21:00:44 03/31/08 (2)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Serious experimenters posted by DragonEars on March 31, 2008 at 19:09:25
        
        No ire from me. I just think that many of the folks who own or have heard Magnestands are being a little too touchy and defensive given the overall positive reactions of almost everyone. Even people who have been critical of some of the claims admit that they must sound very good and must be an improvement over stock. Even the few who don't care for the looks (aesthetics *are* subjective) admit that the workmanship is great.
        
        This is also audio, which in itself is extremely subjective.
        
        If someone has said that PGs mods sound bad, but hasn't heard them, well, I'm not saying the post doesn't exist....but I missed the post(s).
        
        Lastly, this is a forum in which we share words (thoughts) and photos. Limiting discussion to things we have all mutually experienced is too limiting. Intellectual speculation should be encouraged, not squelched.
        
        Rod
        
        nicely said - wazoo 06:36:40 04/01/08 (1)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Serious experimenters posted by Rod H. on March 31, 2008 at 21:00:44
        
        Something which should be noted is that PG's harshest critics are actually far more critical of him and 'his' (unfortunately, some things which he has merely repeated have been attibuted to him) statements than about his mods. You are correct, but I'd posit that both sides are a little too touchy.
        
        If speculation were prohibited, this forum would be pretty quiet. I've spoken numerous times about the benefits of PG's mods, but as Davey pointed out, I have never heard the real things. So, I'm really just speculating, but I think I have a pretty good base from which to hazzard my guess. On other things I've spoken with much less familiarity, but I still think those views had merit - as do the views of others.
        
        Finally, long live variety!
        
        "Jazz is not dead - it just smells funny" FZ ♬
        
        RE: nicely said - Davey 08:01:03 04/01/08 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: nicely said posted by wazoo on April 01, 2008 at 06:36:40
        
        Speculation is fine......as long as it doesn't involve any of PG's efforts. :)
        
        Dave.
RE: Fanboys and Panboys - Norman M 08:04:31 03/27/08 (1)
Unless I could immediately trade the drivers spatial position,(presumably we all know how that factors into the equation) of both unGunned and Gunned MMGs, hearing them would be meaningless to me.
Comparing Gunned MMGs with other Maggie models (or worse still other brands) is yet less than meaningless.

The only problem I have with PG is that he doesn't want to wear the ribbon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRtUv97YFco
- "Doesn't want to wear the ribbon" Ha ha, thanks for the laugh! Great vid. (n/t) - Cory M. 12:46:18 03/27/08 (0)
  .
  Cory
RE: Fanboys and Panboys - Thomas35s5@aol.com 18:17:13 03/26/08 (15)

In Reply to: RE: Fanboys and Panboys posted by DragonEars on March 26, 2008 at 16:48:25

The critics do seem rather aggressive in their displeasure with these speakers. It all seems very odd in that NOT A SINGLE critic has actually listened to these speakers.> > > >

It's sad, but not odd. There are certain people who resent the heralded efforts of others. There are also people who refuse to pay the premiums for the better things in life. When possible they will tear down "the best" to feel better about what they have.
The critics of Gunned speakers fit this mold rather exactly. They're annoyed that someone may have created "the best" out of their already good speaker. Magnepan speakers are unusually affordable high end speakers, but once Gunned, the price is greatly increased. Those who already paid an at-the-limit price for their speakers may feel annoyed and even challenged that a much better version exists...possibly beyond their reach. Some will even try to duplicate it. From what I've seen none of the results look like anything I'd live with and that alone is a good reason to pay for Gunn's efforts. About the only real complaint I could reasonably voice is to say that it's very tough to audition Gunned speakers at all. That's a valid complaint I could defend!
In the end there will always be those who are simply angry; at the world perhaps. It would seem that hi end audio is not the place for them, but it's interesting that I often encounter these types within the hobby. As a sailor I know that yachting is VERY expensive, yet some of the cheapest tight-fisted and unfriendly sorts ply the American waterways on sailing yachts. It's and interesting parallel to the hi-end community in my eyes.

Listen FIRST. Then speak.

Robert

The Good Captain

RE: Fanboys and Panboys - jharris 05:51:11 03/27/08 (2)

In Reply to: RE: Fanboys and Panboys posted by Thomas35s5@aol.com on March 26, 2008 at 18:17:13

"it's very tough to audition Gunned speakers at all". What state do you live in? I'm in MD. and have a pair.

RE: Fanboys and Panboys - Thomas35s5@aol.com 07:15:26 03/27/08 (1)

In Reply to: RE: Fanboys and Panboys posted by jharris on March 27, 2008 at 05:51:11

"it's very tough to audition Gunned speakers at all". What state do you live in? I'm in MD. and have a pair.> > > >

I'm in upstate NY....a bit far away I'm afraid.

Robert
The Good Captain

RE: Fanboys and Panboys - jharris 08:45:03 03/27/08 (0)

In Reply to: RE: Fanboys and Panboys posted by Thomas35s5@aol.com on March 27, 2008 at 07:15:26

oh well. if you are ever near the nation's capitol...

Ahoy Skipper! - DragonEars 21:31:35 03/26/08 (11)

In Reply to: RE: Fanboys and Panboys posted by Thomas35s5@aol.com on March 26, 2008 at 18:17:13

Ahoy Skipper!

Glad to hear from another sailor.
Cheap Sailors. An oxymoron if there ever was one. But it is too true. In a hobby/sport/life where every little stainless fitting costs like it was made from solid gold, there are more cheapskate pennypinchers than you can shake a batten at.

Do you cruise, race, live aboard or all of the above? Feel free to PM me if you'd like to keep the sailing out of the Planar Asylum.

RE: Ahoy Skipper! - Thomas35s5@aol.com 07:30:27 03/27/08 (10)

In Reply to: RE: Ahoy Skipper! posted by DragonEars on March 26, 2008 at 21:31:35

Do you cruise, race, live aboard or all of the above? Feel free to PM me if you'd like to keep the sailing out of the Planar Asylum.> > >

Here she is!
As I have a 3 year old son, we're mostly day sailing and weekending. My preoccupation with the boat had actually displaced audio for quite some time, though I kept the home theater upgraded.
Then I heard those 1.6/QR's and decided to put the new system together! 1st I said..."just speakers for now" and before you know it I'd added amp, CD player and all the rest. It's the power of Maggies!

Robert
The Good Captain

Beautiful boat - DragonEars 11:39:49 03/27/08 (9)

In Reply to: RE: Ahoy Skipper! posted by Thomas35s5@aol.com on March 27, 2008 at 07:30:27

My Jezebel, a Morgan 36T (IOR race boat). Her interior was rather utilitarian but she was so fast! Sold years ago. :-(

Your boat is beautiful. As your son grows, you'll get more time on the water. I grew up sailing and couldn't get enough. Raced and cruised. Sailing is wonderful for kids and families. Someday he's going to ask to take the boat out with his friends (or girlfriend)... yikes.

Yeah But.... - Peter Gunn 17:13:09 03/27/08 (8)

In Reply to: RE: Beautiful boat posted by DragonEars on March 27, 2008 at 11:39:49

Ask him if he ever sailed naked with a boatload of swedish models like you did.....

Maybe I should post that picture.......

It's all about the music...

Only six naked blondes. - DragonEars 22:56:40 03/27/08 (0)

In Reply to: RE: Yeah But.... posted by Peter Gunn on March 27, 2008 at 17:13:09

There were only six naked beautiful blondes. :-)
All looked alike, all left their matching blue bikinis on the beach.
They spoke a language that may have been Swedish (like German, but not German).
We guessed that they may have been some sort of bikini team because they were all the same height, same hair, same body, same bikini. Very odd and VERY nice.

Boatload? I guess so. Six of them, plus my brother and I, on a small open cockpit daysailer. All scrunched together like sweaty sardines trying to sail the damn boat.

These poor girls had rented the boat and obviously had no sailing experience. My brother and I watched them struggle for awhile and then offered to help them. What would you do?

PG - If you have a picture, I'd love to have it! My camera was at the hotel. Cameras are frowned upon at nude beaches (also nude bars, nude restaurants and nude shops. Damn!).

RE: Yeah But.... - splittailz 17:45:15 03/27/08 (6)

In Reply to: RE: Yeah But.... posted by Peter Gunn on March 27, 2008 at 17:13:09

have seen a 50' bertram load of hooter girls at columbus day regatta here

RE: Yeah But.... - Peter Gunn 20:01:25 03/27/08 (5)

In Reply to: RE: Yeah But.... posted by splittailz on March 27, 2008 at 17:45:15

That's good, but it doesn't beat this guys story....

There he was butt naked with his (also butt naked) buddy and he gets invited for a sail with a boatload of voluptuous naked european women, sitting next to him, falling into him, all pressed together in the boat for HOURS.....

It's all about the music...

RE: Yeah But.... - splittailz 06:19:07 03/28/08 (1)

In Reply to: RE: Yeah But.... posted by Peter Gunn on March 27, 2008 at 20:01:25

if I pay you 10 grand for my next modded pair, will the swedish bikini team deliver and set the up? might be worth it. :-)

How about the Pennsylvania Lingerie Team? - DragonEars 12:40:39 03/28/08 (0)

In Reply to: RE: Yeah But.... posted by splittailz on March 28, 2008 at 06:19:07

Well... not Swedish, but dutch... not bikinis, but lingerie...

PG has a photo of my modded MMGs with two of the Pennsylvania Lingerie Team. Amish-liscious!

Helms alee ! - DragonEars 23:38:52 03/27/08 (1)

In Reply to: RE: Yeah But.... posted by Peter Gunn on March 27, 2008 at 20:01:25

Helms alee !
In nautical lingo that means the tiller (steering stick) has been pushed to downwind and the boat is about to tack (come up into the wind and turn the other way).

What, you ask, does this have to do with naked blondes?
Well... sailboats are tippy and the crew (called rail meat) must sit on the upwind side so the boat doesn't tip over. When the boat is very small and the crew consists of two amorous naked American men (me and my brother) and six beautiful blonde naked foreign (possibly Swedish) women, there is alot of contact. Every tack or jibe (turns) was an excrutiatingly fun time.

Those days are all in the past. I am married now and will never have to suffer an agonizing day of rubbing against a group of sweaty naked women. :-)

LOL!! :-)) nt - andyr 03:16:45 03/28/08 (0)

In Reply to: RE: Helms alee ! posted by DragonEars on March 27, 2008 at 23:38:52

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Back to work, you ... stop daydreaming!! :-)) nt - andyr 20:08:27 03/27/08 (0)

In Reply to: RE: Yeah But.... posted by Peter Gunn on March 27, 2008 at 20:01:25

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