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In Reply to: RE: As long as we get out... posted by BillH on August 15, 2021 at 12:11:28
damn ... well that sounds like a recruitment drive for radical Islam
always beware of unintended results
I know where you're coming from though
Follow Ups:
Maybe if we had melted it down 20 years ago while the horror was still fresh, it might have demonstrated to radical Islam what happens if you pull something like 9/11. But NOOOO, Dubya and his neocon pals had to go chasing after Saddam on a revenge mission. Vietnam all over again.
did Dresden stop the Nazi's?
there wasn't a brick atop a brick when that one was done
like I said, I know where you're coming from
but that strategy doesn't work with zealots
since they're not confined by borders it just makes them more zealous
and more of them
regards,
it wasn't the Taliban that hit the World Trade Center. They were Saudis, radicalized by Saudi money.
Sure, Bin Laden was in Afghanistan but did the Taliban even have any choice in that matter?
Doing what we did after 9/11--invading Iraq and Afghanistan--was like bombing Canada in retaliation for Pearl Harbor.
The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
oh of course
but once 'we' are there it's that pesky 'Pottery Barn Rule' concept
especially if things keep getting broken
regards,
...doesn't mean you have to stay in the store for 20 years.
The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
Or buy the whole store, only to give it back 20 years later.
agreed ... but as I said, if you keep breaking shit ... which we did
there was never an exit strategy and never a good time to withdraw, politically that is ... so Biden's taking the hit he knew was coming
In fact, most people don't care right now.
I'm certainly not pissed off that we're leaving but I am pissed off that it took 20 years for reality to sink in.
I voted 3rd party in 2012 because of Obama's "surge."
The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
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"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure
oh ... there will be a great gnashing of teeth and pointing of fingers far longer than two weeks
there's mid-terms right around the corner
; )
Culture war is much more powerful at motivating voters than actual war.
The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
Right now, something like 70% of Americans are in favor getting out. The support for Biden on this decision is as high as it will ever be. But it won't last. Americans as a group are short sighted and fickle. As soon as Kabul falls, that 70% will be more like 50%. The refugee crisis will reduce it further. If this ends up being a repeat of ISIL, drawing Islamists from around the world to Afghanistan and becoming the center of worldwide Islamic terrorism, Joe Biden will take ALL of the blame and the next administration will be Republican.
Once it's no longer part of the nightly news cycle, it'll be forgotten.
Quick, what was the burning issue of the day a month ago? I don't remember and I'm sure you don't either.
ISIS was never a campaign issue, BTW. Neither was Benghazi.
Afghanistan should have been; namely, people should have been out in the streets demanding withdrawal and backing it up with votes. But that never happened because the war touched only a tiny sliver of the US public.
Nobody cares, apathy rules. That's why it will be forgotten by next month.
The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
No point in discussing further
Name a politician who lost an election because of ISIS. Obama got blamed, but he was in his second term and couldn't run again. Clinton sure as hell didn't lose because of ISIS. Trump claimed credit for stomping ISIS out and if indeed ISIS no longer exists, it was eliminated on his watch. So what happened to him?
I can name a politician who lost because of a perception that he was behind the firing of Joe Paterno, but couldn't name a single person who won or lost because of ISIS.
Or Bengazhi.
Hell, every politician is a hardliner on ISIS. Even the Squad.
The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
Edits: 08/16/21
Nt.
Mark in NC
"The thought that life could be better is woven indelibly into our hearts and our brains" -Paul Simon
that didn't happen though
except by S. Vietnamese President Nguyen Van Thieu who had to flee
the senate backed Ford in a bi-partisan vote giving him a free hand
this entire process of the Afghanistan wind up will be politicized to hell
it's already begun and it certainly won't end since the GOP hasn't been able to land a glove on Biden so far ... so they'll take their shots at him over this endlessly with plenty to spare for the rest of the Dems in the run up to the midterms
with regards,
the next major election cycle, and not enough people will remember or
care about this pullout to make any difference.
The GOP will be on to something else as the Dems wag the dog.
Our mighty military industry will press on and it will be Business As Usual.
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure
'or care about this pullout to make any difference'
coitus interruptus?
that never works it's an urban myth
no, seriously it's Benghazi!! all over again, it will make a difference
and Dave_K's point about a honeypot for radical Islam is spot on
wag this dog and there's fleas everywhere
this could be some bad timing as a political calculation
promises kept and all!
regards,
I don't think so Ghost ... mark my words on this
He lost because he pardoned Nixon, and his best effort at fighting inflation was those idiotic "WIN" buttons. The latter figured larger than the former.
Americans have never cared about what happened in Afghanistan unless they had family members stationed there. Same with Iraq. They don't and won't care now.
The mid-terms are over a year away, which is about 10,000 political lifetimes. The outcome will be determined by whatever the hot button issue is in September and October of 2022. It's ridiculous to even believe Afghanistan will have any effect on 2024. Any politician tries to make it an issue, people will wonder what's wrong with the guy.
We ended our involvement in Vietnam in 1975. By 1980, the war was already such a dim memory for most of us that Ronald Reagan was able to re-write it.
The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
Edits: 08/15/21
interesting analysis but I'm thinking that you're viewing the current landscape through a rear view mirror
you'll see something from the past though because what is old is new
can you say 'Benghazi' ??
sure, I knew ya' could
that will be the new clarion in the upcoming cycle
other than that, how's you modeling hobby going?
with regards,
I seriously doubt that 1 in 10 voters gave two shits about Bengazhi or followed the hearings. The only people who cared were political junkies, and the hearings just reinforced biases on both sides.
And the GOP doesn't control the House, like it did in 2012. It can't hold hearings, create joint committees, etc. Earliest it can do all that stuff is a year and a half from now and by then it'll be too late.
You're also assuming that Biden is going to run again. He's nearly as old as my parents were when they died. Kamala Harris isn't secretary of state, like Clinton was. Holding hearings into Afghanistan damages...who exactly?
Clinton was unlikeable, ran a lousy campaign, was hammered by the news media over DNC emails on a daily basis, and still won the popular vote.
And the truth is, she really was responsible for Bengazhi. Indirectly, but still responsible because our intervention in Libya was her baby. If she had run against anybody but Trump, I sure as hell wouldn't have voted for her.
The most important thing to remember is that Biden is 100% right. Afghanistan is a lost cause, has been right from the start. Getting out now and resisting the pressure to send combat troops back into the country is the strong thing to do.
IF Biden runs again and IF the economy is good in 2024 and IF a half million people don't die from the Zeta variant of the coronavirus that year, then Biden will probably get re-elected. People might care one way or the other about Afghanistan but it won't translate into votes. It hasn't yet.
Those are a hell of a lot of "ifs."
The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
Edits: 08/16/21 08/16/21
'Holding hearings into Afghanistan damages...who exactly?'
democrats of course ... trust me, this will be a front and center talking point
I agree that things will shake out along partisan lines, however ...
it's the ever elusive and ill defined 'undecideds' or swing voters that will be the target audience as part of the political calculation
I say elusive because people tend to play possum when they're polled in election run-ups
...Omega variant!!!....as in "Omega Man".
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