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In Reply to: Re: Jon, I find the 89259 to sound "rough", "distorted" and "aggressive" against a straight bypass.. posted by Jon Risch on June 27, 2001 at 21:03:35:
where I part company with you is when you ascribe a certain sund to "being revealed" by 89259 when in my experience the fact is that what you hear is the distortion CAUSED by the stranded nature of the 89259 being revealed by a revealing system.That's all. I honestly do respect your work and part of my trials (and errors) with DIY cables where strongly influenced by you. I only object in general to the overhyping of a fairly mediocre (in the ABSOLUTE scheme of things) wire, namely Belden 89259.
I have seen regulary comments claiming that "nothing better" and such, not claims by you I might add. Still, while 89259 might be a nice step up from generic wire, it is from where I stand on one of the bottom rows of a fairly tall ladder.
And considering the work required for the twisted pairs (I remember now - I found two pairs I made up ages ago - one solid solid and the other per your instructions - listened again and still did not like what I heard) I feel that there is better sound to be had for that kind of work.
Ciao T
Follow Ups:
This shouldn't stand out so much but it is such a contrast with what you see in so many public forums everyday.I think it is also instructive of how much controversy there is in high-end audio. Here we have two respected individuals who honestly disagree on a few matters. Never seen that before. (sarcasm)
I think it points toward the need for everyone to make decisions about how/what they feel about a particular product or technology on their own merits. The Internet has encouraged people to seek out one or another "expert" opinion on a topic to decide what is the "best" product to buy. I would hope that the people in the industry would take the high road on this and discourage "best" and talk more about relative quality and subjective differences. I think Doc Bottlehead is a good example of this. He never slams another product and is always careful to explain that personal preferences are a big part of what is "best".
Thanks Jon and Thorsten for the civilized debate.
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