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In Reply to: 23 ICs Comparative Evaluations including DIY Belden 89259 posted by Kim on June 26, 2001 at 16:28:37:
Hi there,I don't normally comment much here, but in my personal Evaluation I found Belden 89259 barely better than the cheap "goldpatch" cable from Radioshack. I found 89259 to be much closer in general sound and behaviour to that kind of cable then to the other DIY and Commercial Cables with true High End performance I tested.
I put this down squarely at the stranded construction, virtually all other cables in my test where of various "solid core" constructions, true litz or foil. I personally found RG214/Mil (stranded construction, but siverplated, Polyethylen Dielectric) to sound substantially better than Belden 89259, finding it to lack the ragged and distorted sound of stranded copper.
So the result in this test do not surprise me at all.
This is not meant as critism of Jon Risch's work, but rather as an illustration of just how different cables react to both system context and the listeners themselves. The "stranded copper" distotion I'm going on about for examples disappears beneath that caused by CD's oversampling Filters and typhical "Lin" Topology Solid State Amplifers (regarless of Calss A operation or not). If Jon Rischs evaluation used conventional CD Sources and conventional Solid State Amplifiers then I'm not surprised at his findings either.
Later T
Follow Ups:
Thorsten - Which recipe did you make? There's the single 89259 version, twisted 89259 version and then the 89259/89248 twisted version.Sean H
Not to start a flame war or anything, but if you weren't surprised then perhaps you're clinging to preconceived notions.Then again lots of folks like audioquest but I aint one of them.
Peace
RC
Did you mean to reply to a post from Thorsten?? I'm confused at what I said that promted a response like this??Sean H
my bad, dude.I can be a raving loony sometimes.
Hi,My original comparison was just plain 89259 with high quality RCA Plugs. I later made some other variants, including a twisted pair using only solid core belden sounded better as the mixed one, but still, non of the stuff I made based on Jon's recipies really convinced me in my system as being worth the effort, compared to some other options (like DIY XLO). Yet, as remarked, in other system the result may vary.
Later T
We'd all like an edge up, and if the difference is that large and the costs reasonable or better, share it with us.Enjoy,
Bob
I think this is the one that Thorsten prefers or at least one of them. I don't know what his latest iterations are. You might want to check the other cables at the site. But you will see that they are his own design. It would seem like everyone else with their own design, like Chris, Thorsten, and Jon, there is definitely a designer bias to their own designs. Not to take anything away from them, this is only natural and human.
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