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In Reply to: Funny stuff.... posted by Nietzsche on January 04, 2004 at 16:37:47:
Seems you do not like to read bargain basement statements.The Panasonic unit is a better than average bargain basement receiver. you listen to other receivers ,which I try not to with few exceptions,in most cases I always get a run from the room feeling.Getting a unit under $300 that is clean is a challenge to find.
With comparisions to Bel Canto and Carver unit it cannot be all that bad. To say it out does a Krell might over stating it's ability as I prefer a lowly $3000 Passive setup that I used,but I like the features and sound the Panasonic has.
Great value and a look at what might be coming down the pike in value components.
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I have no problem with bargin basement statements in general, just the ones that stretch credibility or are downright fraudulent. My comments where not driven by comparisons to recievers, as you suggest I should have done. For sake of getting a proper perspective here, I quite looking for a simply "clean" sound in audio reproduction when I moved beyond reviecers, I don't even use or think of the term when reviewing a component for that matter, so maybe we do have a different frame of reference and different things that are important to us in high-fidelity audio/music. My comments are based on the scattered claims abound that this Panny competes with very expensive seperates (we've all heard that line before)in 2ch/music only operation, such as those from Bel Canto, Krell, Ps Audio, to name a few mentioned, which IMNSHO is pure fantasy and wishfulfilment, at least in my experience.....That's my gripe. ;)
For those looking into more expensive setups and synergy issues especially where speaker driving capability is concerned the unit will not be the answer for all.Some buy stuff just for the sake of spending without ever knowing what the hell they bought. Amazes me!You have alot more to play with for equipment than others at entry level prices it sounds and to pretend that a $300 receiver is going to give you SOTA sound is stretching it.OTOH I do think that the unit has bested notable stuff from Rotel to mention one contender in the low range which is quite a statement and to even be compared to such stuff going for a few X's the cost is quite an accomplishment.
I always try to find stuff that can be tweeked to bring it to a higher level of performance and that is in the works.It might not be a Krell or other highend notable,but then again it is a great entry level unit.
I think some might step the boudaries of the extent to which the unit's capabilties are.I agree,but I also tout the unit for what it is, a great entry level unit which does alot of things better than one would imagine a $300 unit can and I do not like receivers
BTW. I think I can put together a more musical sounding system of course,but how much more am I going to spend. Atleast double the price I think.
"to pretend that a $300 receiver is going to give you SOTA sound is stretching it."Please re-read my reply. These are not my sentiments, conversely, it is my area of contention exactly! Folks have claimed this reciever to be superior to 2-$8K work of well regarded electronics, and that is NOT my take at all, not by a longshot, simply stated. As we can see by the thread topic, some folks have been lead to believe that this $300 panny could be in the league of the HCA-2, eVo2 or other well regarded amps, due to the over enthusiastic reviews, which bothers me a bit as I don't like seeing people being mislead. I believe you share some of my feelings here, or at least your realize, as you put, that " some might step the boudaries of the extent to which the unit's capabilties are." My gripe exactly. Nothing more, nothing less.
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