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I'd consider a switch to this V2 M33 but only if:The Sub Outs are Stereo if 2 subs are specified in Settings. The V1 is twin mono outs to subs
The Main Outs can be left with a Full Frequency Range if Subs are used
There really are 2 x Trigger outs as stated - I can see only one on the rear panel photo.
The spec of the M66 (and M33 V1) means that subs are offered mono outs even if 2 subs are specified. Also the Main Outs are nobbled to the XO frequency specified for the subs' XO. This CRAZY and totally unacceptable by anyone with full range Main speakers. Earlier M32 and M12 models allowed the Mains to remain full range (or XO'd if desired) even when subs were in the system.
I'll await the answers to these points with interest, as otherwise the M33 V2 and the M66 are non-starters as I have full range Main speakers.
Edits: 05/18/25
I too prefer true stereo L & R subs.
In my setup I run my preamp XLR outputs into the power amp and the RCA preamp outs into the L & R subs. It's pretty basic with no cross over except what the sub adjustment parameters allow for.
The M33 V2 has both single ended and balanced preamp outputs, so one could run subs (perhaps even 4 of them) from these and ignore the sub outs.Then the main speakers would remain with a full-range signal and the subs would need to be XO'd by their own built-in amps. Also the subs could retain a stereo signal and not be forced to offer mono only!
I'm warming towards the V2, possibly in preference to the M66 with power amps.
Edits: 06/02/25 06/02/25
How much space between your speakers do you need to get the benefit of L&R subs? I might be able to relocate my system to allow for more space between them and I am curious about augmenting the current speakers with a sub, or two. I had planned on new speakers, but a huge chunk of my $$$ will now be going to your humble state. Daughter #1 will be going to U of C Boulder in the Fall. Out of state tuition is a !*$&@, and in state competition proved too much for her, at least at the schools she was interested in. I put up a fight, but lost in the end.*I may still get the new speakers though. Taming down the budget to Quads or Pure Audio Project Trios (tariff depending). I remember when I bought them my dealer said they had the resolution of much more expensive Avalons, just not the bass.
ETA: And how far from the listening position. It won't be extreme near field, but remember I live in a Silly Valley cracker box, 12' max to the speakers.
Edits: 05/19/25 05/19/25
Also the Main Outs are nobbled to the XO frequency specified for the subs' XO. This CRAZY and totally unacceptable by anyone with full range Main speakers.
That is certainly a reasonable (and hopefully supported) use case. Just add a pinch of foundation to the mix. Agree should have the choice but the existing approach works for me with the smaller stats in the HT.
Full range but first octave excursion limits output level if not high passed for the bottom two. They are blended with a pair of powered subs placed at room digonals to increase overall headroom.
Unnecessary upstairs. :)
Yes, certainly for those with limited bass main speakers, there is a positive advantage for protecting them from low frequencies and leaving subs to handle the bass. It allows the mains to be driven harder over the range they are happy with.
However, surely we should be given the choice between retaining full range to our speakers (if we've invested in these beasts) or XO'ing the mains to protect them, as I suspect you would choose to do. The earlier M12 preamp and M32 integrated offered the choice, but the M33 and M66 insist that the same XO applies to both the main and sub outputs.
See my other post regarding a compromise that owners of full-range speakers seems to be able to take advantage of with the V2 version in order to retain low frequencies to their main speakers.
However, surely we should be given the choice between retaining full range to our speakers
Agree entirely! Even the modest Emotiva MC1 processor in the HT allows for the mains to be run full range if desired.
Interesting. Looks like they ditched the M32.
That one was a different take on amplification. Made sense if you have just digital sources.
Peachtree Audio came out with their GaN 1 (GaN FET) amp 3 years ago but it was an all digital design with only a Coax SPDIF input. I don't think they sold many and Peachtree quickly dropped the price on it.
Their newest amps have reverted back to a more traditional design using Hypex NCore X 500 modules with traditional analog XLR and RCA inputs.
many folks still consider all Class D amps "digital" even though they are inherently analog albeit in a switch mode presentation.
Ralph's new switcher also uses GaNFETs. Which, by the way allows him to lower the amount of *correction*. ;)
The GaN 1 is considered by some to be an "all digital power DAC" because there's no analog input stage. This differentiates it from other amps including most other Class D designs.
Peachtree GaN 1. No analog inputs, just COAX SPDIF
...because there's no analog input stage.
My garage environment doesn't use analog inputs either. Only the music system does so with the VPI/Souther/Dyna table.
LMS connects via S/PDIF and services like Bandcamp and SiriusXM via BT.
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