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In Reply to: Re: Oh, brother posted by AmazingBass on March 30, 2007 at 01:59:39:
I think someone may have hijacked yr anecdote with an agenda that seemed believable at the time. It has never, ever been suggested that the New York Dolls didn't play their instruments, and the idea that it 'wasn't intended to be REAL music' (emphasis mine) leads me to ask what it is exactly that you would in fact define as 'real music.'I assure you, that music was and is very real. Malcolm McLaren worked with the New York Dolls & specifically applied some of the managerial ideas towards his next experience as a manager of a rock group, which was with the Sex Pistols, who were definitely influenced by the New York Dolls. They were one of the very few bands that were a direct influence on both the punk rock bands in New York circa 1975 (such as Television, Patti Smith, Ramones et al), and London circa 1977. Buster Poindexter is heard at many, perhaps most, formulaic weddings in these parts for going on 20 years now. As I previously stated, Hanoi Rocks, influenced by the New York Dolls as much as any other act, kick-started a genre, also influenced by acts such as Aerosmith, that came to be known as 'hair metal,' and which was very popular in the late 1980s. There were certainly people who didn't think of what they did as 'real music,' which was a prejudice previously applied to a variety of acts such as the Fugs, the Velvet Underground, the Stooges, and others. It would later be directed at many rock bands in New York in the mid-70s, then in London, then in Los Angeles, and so on. A rock snobbery that thumbed its nose at what we now call punk rock, which was different during its earlier incarnations in New York than what it became in London, when spiked hair, safety pins through the cheek, mohawks, and spitting became associated with the relevant acts. In New York it had been more low-key, less violent, and revolved more around poetry than politics. I can't speculate that the idea that you have that it wasn't supposed to be 'real music' came from the snobbery that was espoused by a segment of musicians and fans whose interests ran towards commercial rock, art-rock, prog rock and so on, but it's possible that that's the root of it. This led to silly 'genre wars' that exist to this day where fans of one or the other denigrate one or the other. There are targets on either side, and it's seen even on this board from time to time.
I would take a look at my Dolls bio to see if there's anything in there that jibes with yr recollections, as it's been a couple of years since I read it, but, again, I don't remember ever, ever hearing any such charge levied at this act. As you saw in the link provided, they did in fact play their own instruments. Of course, some of the covers they did (Bo Diddley, Sonny Boy Williamson, etc.) may have been considered eccentric by 1973 standards, but that doesn't make it not 'real music.' Oh, olddude, if you're reading this, the new album from last year leans heavily on the sort of girl-group influence that comes through in some of their work, but also on the solo albums I've mentioned, especially toons like 'Great Big Kiss.' I'm glad you got my message, I'll be in touch via email though it may take a couple of days.
Anyway, AmazingBass, not to be disrespectful, but in spite of what you're describing, that comes across as a baseless charge. Which is not to say there's any reason to like the music if it isn't yr thing, but Monkees-type situations where the band didn't actually play have been pretty well documented at this point, and the Dolls were never charged with such a scenario.
There is a reference to a DJ in the UK making a Monkees reference in a derogatory fashion, but, if there's any valid reason to believe that they were charlatans who could not or did not play their instruments, I've never, ever, in more than 20 years of following their career, and picking up just about every recording associated with them, along with most of those associated with their solo careers, heard of such a thing. If you have any further information, please share it with us.
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- No offense - J 05:28:40 03/30/07 (1)
- Nothing offensive - AmazingBass 12:04:42 03/30/07 (0)
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