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In Reply to: like who? Who said Ringo was a technically proficient posted by Duilawyer on July 17, 2006 at 06:22:29:
Much like your charting Buckethead above Hendrix. Fast=good. Faster=better. Insane.If that's your criteria, then Buddy Rich has them all beat: he could do single-stroke rolls with one hand. So what? Would you trade that for Porcaro's shuffle on Rosanna? Bonhams's Moby Dick? Moon on almost anything? We're talking music here. A drum machine is faster than all of 'em.
Notice I did not say Ringo was a "better" than those you list.
But if you knew anything about the subject, you'd realize that most of the drummers you mention have lavished praise on Ringo for having the innate sense of playing what the song needs--and not playing what it doesn't. Do you have any clue just how innovative his groove is on "In My Life"? And how just right it is for the song? That's worth any number of single-stroke rolls.
Here are only a few quotes for your education. I could dig up more from Rick Marotta, Tommy Lee, Dennis Diken, Carmine Appice, Greg Bissonette, Hal Blaine, Dino Dinelli, Dennis Chambers, Vinnie Colaiuta, Chad Smith, and more and more and more. If you knew anything about the subject other than that which you prefer--speed--you would know them yourself.
Kenny Arnoff -- "I consider him one of the greatest innovators of rock drumming and believe that he has been one of the greatest influences on rock drumming today... Ringo has influenced drummers more than they will ever realize or admit. Ringo laid down the fundamental rock beat that drummers are playing today and they probably don't even realize it. . . Ringo always approached the song more like a songwriter than a drummer. He always served the music."
Jim Keltner -- "I will always be there to support him. He's more than a dear friend. He's like an idol. He's everything to me. I still think of him musically every time I sit down and play drums. He's a very important guy to me."
Phil Collins, drummer for Genesis -- "I think he's vastly underrated. The drum fills on A Day In The Life are very complex things. You could take a great drummer today and say, 'I want it like that.' They wouldn't know what to do."
Andy Sturmer, drummer for Jellyfish -- "Ringo is a great guy and really amazing drummer. He has that feel that's between a shuffle and straight eights -- Ringo territory that nobody else can do. He played some amazing stuff on that (Time Takes Time) album."
D. J. Fontana -- "I was playing maracas or something behind him, just listening to him. I swear he never varied the tempo. He played that back beat and never got off it. Man, you couldn't have moved him with a crane. It was amazing. He played a hell of a back beat, Man, and that's where it's at."
Don Was -- "As a drummer, he influenced three generations of rock drummers. It's not very flashy playing, but it's very musical. Instead of just counting the bars, he's playing the song, and he puts fills in unusual places that are directed by the vocal."
George Martin -- "Ringo has a tremendous feel for a song and he always helped us hit the right tempo the first time. He was rock solid. This made the recording of all the Beatle songs so much easier."
George Martin -- "I did quickly realize that Ringo was an excellent drummer for what was required. He's not a technical drummer. Men like Buddy Rich and Gene Krupa would run rings around him, but he is a good solid rock drummer with a steady beat, and he knows how to get the right sound out of his drums. Above all, he does have an individual sound. You can tell Ringo's drums from anyone else's and that character was a definite asset to the Beatles' early recordings."
Dave Ballinger -- "Technically brilliant drummers do not necessary make good rock drummers. ...You don't have to be a technical Buddy Rich type drummer, you just need to be inventive. He (Ringo) did things I would never have thought of doing."
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Follow Ups
- What's laughable is your definition. - markrohr 07:56:48 07/17/06 (4)
- " Men like Buddy Rich and Gene Krupa would run rings around him," - Duilawyer 19:28:38 07/17/06 (3)
- Keep dodging the point all you wish. - markrohr 08:49:05 07/18/06 (2)
- You confuse "Respect"" for technical proficiency; and mask your lack of clarity - Duilawyer 19:32:51 07/18/06 (1)
- You're right. - markrohr 07:43:22 07/19/06 (0)
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