In Reply to: Good morning! Sounds like we were both drinking last night. : ) posted by jdaniel@jps.net on March 26, 2017 at 08:34:15:
. . . of Shostakovitch fans, and it's a way of listening to music which I (if I may say so) profoundly disagree with. Sure, I came on pretty strong, but I'm not saying that this way of listening can't provide a certain level of satisfaction to these listeners though. As MWE has already said, de gustibus non est disputandum (although I'm unsure what part of speech he was using for disputandum!).
And now, after all this "weeping and gnashing of the teeth" discussion, here's the kicker: despite Madeline's description of the first movement as "hideous", I actually don't think the work (the Symphony No. 13) is that bad (at least for Shostakovitch!). I don't think I'd have ordered the download otherwise, even at the attractive price!
You know, it's very interesting that, just by chance, the woman I married shares so many of the same points of view about music that I do: skepticism, even denigration, of HIP, certain composers (Shostakovitch!), or certain performers (Barenboim, Schwartzkopf, et al). And I guess the only three areas where we disagree (musically!) are (1) German mainstream composers vs. Russians and Eastern Europeans (she's more likely to be dismissive of, say, Glazunov's music, while I don't share her love of the standard German repertoire, at least at the level she rates it), (2) what she calls "fluff" music (technically difficult music which most listeners would claim lacks "substance" - e.g., Godowsky transcriptions of Strauss Waltzes - I love these types of pieces and she doesn't), and (3) babe musicians (even though she admits that Yuja and Lisa - and a couple others - are pretty darned good)! ;-)
BTW, just a heads up: Madeline is about to "publish or publish" again (about her favorite anathema - too much undocumented editing on present-day recordings). I'll provide the details later.
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Follow Ups
- I just found MWE's original comments not untypical of certain types. . . - Chris from Lafayette 09:38:26 03/26/17 (26)
- RE: I just found MWE's original comments not untypical of certain types. . . - rbolaw 09:41:03 03/27/17 (25)
- Sure - but banality is banality, even if it's intentional and cynical - Chris from Lafayette 11:18:14 03/27/17 (24)
- Yes, around here at least, the ocean water is cold in the winter. - rbolaw 11:47:07 03/27/17 (14)
- Of course - Chris from Lafayette 16:51:16 03/27/17 (13)
- OK, but, - rbolaw 09:00:13 03/28/17 (12)
- I agree about Lieutenant Kije - except that that's by PROKOFIEV, not Shostakovitch - Chris from Lafayette 14:33:14 03/28/17 (10)
- Yes! I keep confusing Lt. Kije with The Nose. - rbolaw 16:49:44 03/28/17 (9)
- My favorite piece by Shostakovitch is "Song of the Forests"! ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 18:19:35 03/28/17 (8)
- Now I KNOW you're yanking our chains... - MWE 18:41:58 03/28/17 (7)
- Hey, man - you questioning my taste? [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 19:43:18 03/28/17 (6)
- Yuk, yuk. - rbolaw 07:32:03 03/29/17 (0)
- Hee hee. nt. - MWE 19:50:22 03/28/17 (4)
- But wait! If Song of the Forests is as bad as "everyone" says it is. . . - Chris from Lafayette 19:55:08 03/29/17 (3)
- Ugh. Hideous cover. - rbolaw 09:20:21 03/30/17 (2)
- Hey, man - that's a proletariat cover with not a trace of formalism! - Chris from Lafayette 13:36:20 03/30/17 (1)
- You are CRACKING me UP!! - MWE 14:19:40 03/30/17 (0)
- Most eloquently put, RBO. nt. - MWE 12:40:37 03/28/17 (0)
- Why is it OK when Mahler does it? Nt - jdaniel@jps.net 11:45:13 03/27/17 (5)
- IMHO it's NOT OK when Mahler does it - Chris from Lafayette 16:37:46 03/27/17 (0)
- RE: Why is it OK when Mahler does it? Nt - rbolaw 12:43:10 03/27/17 (3)
- RE: Why is it OK when Mahler does it? Nt - Ivan303 18:33:06 03/27/17 (0)
- Still to this day: Fischer has no interest in recording Mahler's 8th. Nt - jdaniel@jps.net 12:46:33 03/27/17 (1)
- RE: "Fischer has no interest" -- I Have Similar re Listening to It, and - goldenthal 20:18:09 04/01/17 (0)
- RE: Sure - but banality is banality, even if it's intentional and cynical - MWE 11:43:33 03/27/17 (2)
- Anyone who sit thru Mahler's Rondo Burlesque or the Friar Jacque on the double bass should get what Shosty - jdaniel@jps.net 12:43:51 03/27/17 (1)
- Well, those examples are certainly NOT Mahler at his finest [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 16:39:23 03/27/17 (0)