and paintings from Expressionism, forward?
You don't need to "understand" Bach, Mozart, Brahms, Chopin to pleasurably listen (of course, the more you know, the more it is intriguing). The dullest adult, the clearest-eyed child can close their eyes and be swept away. Now, put on a late symphony of Mahler. Some Berg songs. Any Ives symphony. It is very difficult, if not impossible, to like these works without some understanding of their inner workings, of the composers' intellectual pursuit.
This is identical to the situation with painting.
Perhaps there isn't an easy answer, after all, as to whether or not "classical" music is dying. If indeed it is diminishing in popularity, perhaps it is only the "post-modern" part that is so? Certainly, in the art world, there continues great public interest in works from Botticelli through Schiele. However, once the representational barrier is exploded, so is public attachment.
This is not meant as a criticism: great art never is strictly derivative, it never copies. Individuality, originality are the touchstones of artists who strive to greatness. In doing so, however, today's artists have had to get far away from the emotive aspects, which appear to have finite forms, and go far afield into abstract, hyper-intellectual models. Relatively few consumers or appreciators, I'd argue, can or want to follow.
At the current trajectory, painting and "classical" music may be non-sustainable.
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Topic - Art and music: can non-intellectuals appreciate post-19th century music - tinear 10:59:41 03/11/11 (47)
- Understanding the inner workings of music & painting doesn't make one an intellectual. - Harmonia 18:03:05 03/23/11 (0)
- As a non intelllectual, I say will this... - Scott Woebcke 18:36:48 03/15/11 (0)
- Um, "non-intellectuals"? - M. Lucky 19:32:59 03/13/11 (0)
- Lots of great comments in this thread! - Chris from Lafayette 11:09:21 03/12/11 (4)
- RE: Lots of great comments in this thread! - tinear 18:56:12 03/12/11 (0)
- Probably the Goin' Home theme! nt - oldmkvi 11:35:11 03/12/11 (2)
- and/or he's old enough to remember the Finale from the Lone Ranger Show - vinyl phanatic 19:20:03 03/12/11 (1)
- RE: and/or he's old enough to remember the Finale from the Lone Ranger Show - Chris from Lafayette 15:21:56 03/15/11 (0)
- Appreciation - briggs 09:03:05 03/12/11 (0)
- I guess you better start reading some good books. - Paul_A 08:43:06 03/12/11 (0)
- Experience not intellect - Tadlo 05:40:02 03/12/11 (4)
- Curiosity and open-mindedness are hallmarks of intelligence. nt - tinear 07:40:28 03/14/11 (0)
- RE: Experience not intellect - DBB 13:23:58 03/13/11 (0)
- Me, too (nt) - riboge 08:56:51 03/13/11 (0)
- I tend to agree. - genungo 04:17:34 03/13/11 (0)
- RE: Art and music: can non-intellectuals appreciate post-19th century music - rmilewsk 22:49:43 03/11/11 (0)
- Sensing vs. Understanding? - Frihed89 22:32:15 03/11/11 (0)
- What's a "Non-Intellectual?" - Todd Krieger 16:55:44 03/11/11 (1)
- RE: What's a "Non-Intellectual?" - suretyguy 17:47:20 03/11/11 (0)
- As a non-intellectual - Travis 16:05:04 03/11/11 (3)
- Well, at least you were not a drummer!! * - Mike K 21:06:01 03/11/11 (0)
- Joan Tower was one of my childhood teachers - rbolaw 17:25:03 03/11/11 (1)
- Right on, brother. nt - Travis 17:49:49 03/11/11 (0)
- I think you're assuming that classical harmony & melody are somehow innately natural - k-k-k-kenny 15:53:37 03/11/11 (6)
- RE: I think you're assuming that classical harmony & melody are somehow innately natural - Tadlo 05:52:34 03/12/11 (1)
- Touché - k-k-k-kenny 17:56:09 03/12/11 (0)
- May I offer a different perspective? - John Marks 16:54:54 03/11/11 (3)
- Of course you may, John - k-k-k-kenny 21:26:21 03/11/11 (2)
- "Those who play and habitually listen to these things don't seem to notice the gross errors…" - David Aiken 23:14:28 03/11/11 (1)
- Couldn't agree more - k-k-k-kenny 17:33:23 03/12/11 (0)
- RE: Art and music: can non-intellectuals appreciate post-19th century music - David Aiken 15:36:08 03/11/11 (3)
- No longer - rbolaw 16:32:03 03/11/11 (2)
- RE: No longer - David Aiken 23:05:02 03/11/11 (1)
- And it works in reverse, too - k-k-k-kenny 17:50:32 03/12/11 (0)
- RE: Art and music: can non-intellectuals appreciate post-19th century music - Chuck Y 14:45:23 03/11/11 (1)
- You need immediately to get some Tallis Scholars, Chanticleer, - tinear 15:50:18 03/11/11 (0)
- RE: Art and music: can non-intellectuals appreciate post-19th century music - rbolaw 14:04:44 03/11/11 (0)
- RE: Art and music: can non-intellectuals appreciate post-19th century music - Daverz 14:03:25 03/11/11 (0)
- I have a dear friend who, I think, listens to - kavakidd 13:38:22 03/11/11 (4)
- The distinctions he is making are more in his mind than real, Dave. - Timbo in Oz 00:30:58 03/14/11 (3)
- Actually, the assessment - kavakidd 10:27:59 03/14/11 (2)
- Okay, so I was tired! ;-) But I still think he's being affected as much as - Timbo in Oz 14:59:39 03/14/11 (1)
- "Separating our thoughts and feelings is pretty hard " - kavakidd 15:15:50 03/14/11 (0)
- Yes and No - Amphissa 12:58:12 03/11/11 (2)
- Of course, as nice as they are, one's friends hardly are the hooks - tinear 14:34:40 03/11/11 (0)
- "Combative Cacophony" - Mike Porper 13:20:02 03/11/11 (0)
- Yes. - genungo 11:46:09 03/11/11 (0)