In Reply to: Re: 23 ICs Comparative Evaluations including DIY Belden 89259 posted by ChrisVH on June 26, 2001 at 19:52:01:
Stock Belden 89259 is very sensitive to the quality of the RCA plugs, I have had e-mail after e-mail about this, with RS plugs making the cable sound broken, and Cardas and other fine plugs allowing the cable to perform up to a high standard. Folks who complained about the sound would replace the cheap plugs, and then experience much better sound using the cables.The picture of the 89259 in the test does seem to show a cheap RCA.
Not knowing any more details of the tests other than what is posted at this site, there are several observations to make:
This was a European listening panel, which may not accurately represent the same kinds of preferrences as Americans (companies that operate worldwide often voice their products differently for the US, Europe, and Asia).
They certainly seemed enamored of the Canadian cables.
They also seemed to prefer the expensive cables. Even though the test did not reveal the prices or specs, one would only have to look at the 89259 to see the markings. Other expensive cables would have a very nice looking appearance.
----------------------------I do know that even on an absolute scale of sonic quality, the stock 89259 is not a "bad" cable, and sounds much better than any OEM freebie, as well as most all entry level aftermarket IC's.
One thing to keep in mind is that the 89259 stock coax is not an overly forgiving cable, if the system is a bit on the rough sidel, it will show this up, and not smooth it over or warm the sound up to compensate. Most people appreciate a neutral and accurate IC, but some have come to regard them as just another tone control, and seek out "warm" or "smooth" sounding cables to help control a bright system.
Yes, the twisted pair design sounds better, but not by a huge margin, not say "twice as good", in fact, on an absolute scale, no cable I know of sounds "twice as good" as stock 89259, there just are not that kind of huge differences once we get tot he level of performance acheived here.
One only has to do a search here on the Asylum to see all the positive reviews of 89259 in it's various incarnations.
Jon Risch
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Follow Ups
- Re: 23 ICs Comparative Evaluations including DIY Belden 89259 - Jon Risch 22:22:21 06/26/01 (14)
- Jon, I find the 89259 to sound "rough", "distorted" and "aggressive" against a straight bypass.... - Thorsten 13:52:29 06/27/01 (7)
- Re: Jon, I find the 89259 to sound "rough", "distorted" and "aggressive" against a straight bypass.. - penguin 22:58:41 07/12/01 (0)
- Re: Jon, I find the 89259 to sound "rough", "distorted" and "aggressive" against a straight bypass.. - Jon Risch 21:03:35 06/27/01 (3)
- Jon, I agree that 89259 is a good starting point for DIY..... - Thorsten 08:09:38 06/28/01 (1)
- It is good to see a mature disagreement. - Kevin P 09:30:45 06/28/01 (0)
- Re: Jon, I find the 89259 to sound "rough", "distorted" and "aggressive" against a straight bypass.. - wilks 21:47:19 06/27/01 (0)
- Re: Jon, I find the 89259 to sound "rough", "distorted" and "aggressive" against a straight bypass.. - Sean H 14:00:38 06/27/01 (1)
- Re: Jon, I find the 89259 to sound "rough", "distorted" and "aggressive" against a straight bypass.. - Thorsten 08:14:10 06/28/01 (0)
- This is the voice of reason - Sean H 02:19:56 06/27/01 (0)
- How are the Canare RCAs? Jon, or others? - Wilks 02:01:29 06/27/01 (3)
- Re: How are the Canare RCAs? Jon, or others? - Jon Risch 23:50:32 06/27/01 (0)
- Re: How are the Canare RCAs? Jon, or others? - Steve W 14:14:38 06/27/01 (1)
- Re: How are the Canare RCAs? Jon, or others? - wilks 22:06:35 06/27/01 (0)
- How would you rate Kimber's RCA plugs - hee 22:46:25 06/26/01 (0)