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In Reply to: LP-12 vs. TD-150 posted by soundnut on August 22, 2005 at 16:21:17:
My LP 12 sounded better than TD 150, 160 and 166 and 125 in the late 70's head on head. Whatever that means, you judge. It still is running perfectly, no Valhalla, etc.
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Not at all... The LP-12 is an awesome table and a very nice piece of engineering. And I'd own one if I could afford it. The point of my post is that for those who can't afford an LP-12, a properly modded & tweaked TD-150 is pretty damn excellent. And I'm not the only one who thinks so. Sure, the stock table with the old clunky Mk. I arm is nothing special, but I'm talking about the modded and damped version which improves upon the issues that Linn improved upon with the LP-12.Never in my post did I "diss" the LP-12. Don't have a cow, man.
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Maybe it's an anti-Linnie thread, but it isn't an anti-Linn thread. I like the LP12, but I also appreciate the ingenuity of those who can make the Thorens better. Those concepts walk hand in hand, especially since Linn was one who made the Thorens better first. ;)
Your posts make a lot of sense, thanks for posting. As I have posted several times, my friend has been building plinths and modding TD's and his work is just one example of a great mod. He uses isospikes, fixes issues, makes an armboard etc. See link.I have my old LP 12 and started to use it again, instead of cdp. I really enjoy it, and music is a joy even with thrift store LP's. As you said, I am not a Linnie, but a Linn LP 12 owner. Mine was purchased with Basik Plus arm for under $400 in 1977 or 1978, cannot remember, 2nd hand. Someone stole a new one I owned and babyed.
BTW, I liked the pics of the 2 tables side by side! AR's aren't bad either (got an ES-1 for my bro, still perfect).
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Thanks. It's nice to be appreciated!I saw the photos of your friend's turntable when he started the auction. He does great work!
I suppose my definition of Linnie shouldn't be so constrained to mean only those who think the Linn LP12 is the only turntable in the world, but I'm afraid that some actually feel that way. Right now my Linn is offline because I'm listening to a Rek-O-Kut, and believe it, or not, I like what I'm hearing. I suppose a true Linnie would never listen to a Rek-O-Kut, would he? Well, if that's the case, it's his loss.
If we keep an open mind about this stuff, maybe we won't always have to wait for some factory to build a better mousetrap. That can't be a bad thing.
Sadly the only effective theraputic modality for Linnies is group therapy, many Linnieopaths go through life adrift and undiagnosed ;-)I wonder if I'm the guy he is referring to ? Actually I spend about
3 to 4 minutes per LP on average.
I didn't find the article that you referred to, but it doesn't surprize me, as record cleaning like anything else in the world of the analophile can easily reach th point of either wretched excess and or absurdity., by Groundhog day you're talking about having a Deja V all over again ;-)
Since I may have contributed to this ruckus from my post below, let me say I am an LP12 owner also, but no hard core Linnie. The modded Thorens just sounds much better to my ears in my listening environment. Is the LP 12 bad? Absolutely, not! But, when I apply the law of diminishing returns to upgade the Linn to sound as nice as this old TD150, it just doesn't make sense to spends lots of money on the Linn. Anyway, I am enjoying purchasing and listening to old vinyl again with my new/old Thorens.
Exactly, I don't own a Linn but many of the guys I respect for their depth of knowledge and experience do, including my dealer friend, but I've never had an opportunity to buy a Linn at what I would consider a reasonable price.
Perhaps I'm reletively easily amused but I love buying nice Vintage equipment that has issues on the cheap, and then getting it back to at least it's former performance level and beyond with minimal outlay and complication the old Thorens decks are particularly well suited for the purpose.
Fred,
Those LPs will play longer if you play them at 33 1/3.
78 is too fast for the modern records. ;)
Thanks for the heads up on that one ! I tried it and Caruso no longer sounds like Alvin of Alvin or the Chipmunks, can't wait to spin Leon Redbone and see what he sounds like on 33 1/3 ;-)
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