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In Reply to: Digital done right will be better than LP playback posted by jeromelang on June 07, 2004 at 22:07:30:
.. vinyl continues to outclass any digital format "in my System".I have worked very hard to get my system to sound as good as possible with ALL sources and enjoy music on all sources, but vinyl clearly presents music the way I hear it live more so than any my digital sources.
May be my system, but it is the same with any system I have listened to that has good front ends utilizing digital and analog.
While I spend more time listening to SACDs these days - vinyl sounds better.
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and still you find that LP playback is better?
.. in general Lp playback presents a three dimensional quality to the performance that no digital can duplicate. There is a liquidity that digital just cannot capture.Just replaced the Navcom platform under my SCD-1 with a Neuance and it has done wonders. Still resting on three Aurios Pros. Much closer to vinyl, but in my system not nearly as realistic.
Believe me my system is very good with digital - just better with vinyl.
Let's get this fact settle first, then we'll discuss other issues.Do you hear a difference selecting a track directly from stop mode and then repeat 12-secs after play has commenced as compared to play continuously from preceeding track? How would you describe the sonic differences?
You didn't specify whether the Aurios were underneath the Neuance platform or underneath the SCD-1 chassis directly. That could mean a world of difference as well.
The SCD-1 rests upon the Neuance shelf which in turn rests on the Aurios Pros, my system listed under JCS with pics.I have tried your 12 second test a long time ago following your comments and could detect no discernable sonic difference.
While my analog frontend lists for more than three times the cost of the SCD-1, into preamp, I do not believe that is why vinyl sounds more realistic. This opinion is shared by many, many who happen to be in the industry. Not that that matters a wit.
Actually looking at your system I am surprised at your opinion on the sonic merits of digital versus versus analog. All I can share is what I hear on my system and others that I have listened to, many good ones and others not so, and in all cases vinyl always sounded more realistic.
I got into SACD with the hope it would better vinyl, or anything else for that matter, to me it beats Red Book, the amount depending on many variables.
My system allows me to enjoy all formats and sounds quite fantastic. Vinyl happens to be the most fantastic.
< < I have tried your 12 second test a long time ago following your comments and could detect no discernable sonic difference. > >See here's the whole issue. In my previous post on this issue, I have made it quite clear that the SCD-1 did not sound better than a $200 turntable (which happened to be a Sony turntable connected to a Tom Evans Micro Groove phonostage), if no intervention is applied to the playback process. There is no track-to-track consistency, and the SCD-1 is as harsh as everyone said it could be. But once the track-access methodology I mentioned was used, the resultant sound from the SCD-1 can be exhilarating, music would flow with the fluidity that far exceeds what I have experienced on vinyl (in many systems). There's also this "continousness" to the way the rhythmn section flows, even more so than the way analog playback on vinyl does. So since you can't detect this track-access problem on your SCD-1, it means that something in your system is masking the sonic changes. You can't begin to understand why I say SACD played on the SCD-1 can better LP playback. You can't explain shades of colours to a blind person, can you?
< < The SCD-1 rests upon the Neuance shelf which in turn rests on the Aurios Pros, my system listed under JCS with pics. > >
I have no experience with the Neuance shelf, but I have tried others like the Black Diamond Racing shelves which adds artificial details, and the Symposium platforms which I find can drain musical life away from the SCD-1. Although I have 3 of these Symposium shelves, I don't allow them to rest directly underneath the player. Instead I use a combination of 3 different materials (wood, glass, symposium platform) to neutralise each of their own sonic signatures. These 3 different material platforms rest on top of a set of Symposium rollerblocks.
I have to say, in my system, there are no PLCs, no expensive powercords, and every component are powered with Sony supplied powercords plugged direct to the wall.... Reading my system's page you would have also realised that I have also spent quite a tidy sum on PLCs and powercords, but I have chosen to go back to basics, for a few reasons - In comparison with the Sony stock powercords, the more expensive aftermarket powercords had robbed some air, dimension and openness from the music. All these brands of PCs altered the instrument/voices' timre to varying degress, which makes the system differs from neutrality. So the important thing here as always is, while most changes sound refreshing, not all may be more truthful. Some improvements may have side effects. We should be aware of the adverse side effects that come with such products.
First off I take exception to the implicit reference to being blind regarding sound. I attend many live concerts per year and have live music as my reference. I can assure you that my SCD-1 sounds good enough that I have yet to be tempted to go for any internal mod, although I may some day.Knowing you would bring up your 12 second test again I did try it again this am on a Red Book Cd that I often use as a reference. This time I did actually hear a difference. Things appeared to snap into place, more in focus, and yes there was a lessening of glare that to the music that I never heard on a Cd.
For that I am grateful, but it still cannot provide the three dimensional body and bloom that I get with vinyl and that I hear fron real instruments in a live venue.
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