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In Reply to: Ah, another expert pontificates. posted by Pat D on October 1, 2010 at 17:00:28:
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - Here's a critic not impressed with some audiophile speakers! - Pat D 16:43:04 09/27/10 (175)
- Well he better write 3 good reviews immediately - AmanteDiMusica 14:25:02 10/13/10 (1)
- RE: Well he better write 3 good reviews immediately - das@soundstage.com 05:33:37 10/15/10 (0)
- Our local dealer dropped Wilson - Steyr 06:11:55 10/02/10 (8)
- RE: Our local dealer dropped Wilson - RGA 11:06:33 10/02/10 (3)
- Bottom line is a dealer can't just sell everything he loves. - Bob Neill 14:29:08 10/02/10 (2)
- RE: Bottom line is a dealer can't just sell everything he loves. - RGA 21:36:27 10/02/10 (1)
- I Like That Trenner & Freidl Names A Lot Of Their Speakers After Jazz Musicians (nt) - thetubeguy1954 08:37:02 10/04/10 (0)
- Or did he lose Wilson? - samtellig 06:28:04 10/02/10 (3)
- Sorry but your wrong on that Sam - Steyr 06:44:06 10/02/10 (2)
- "People would come in for Wilson [and] leave with other models." - samtellig 07:23:16 10/02/10 (1)
- Not as many with full pockets anymore - Steyr 07:28:29 10/02/10 (0)
- Easily explainable - bjh 17:50:56 09/30/10 (5)
- RE: Easily explainable - morricab 07:31:21 10/04/10 (0)
- There does seem to be a "Wilson gene" that some have and others not. - Enophile 18:10:22 09/30/10 (3)
- the "Wilson gene" - mls-stl 20:14:19 10/01/10 (1)
- RE: the "Wilson gene" - thetubeguy1954 08:44:50 10/04/10 (0)
- RE: There does seem to be a "Wilson gene" that some have and others not. - bjh 18:16:24 09/30/10 (0)
- Not the speaker for Vincent Van Gogh, apparently. nt - viridian 08:25:07 09/30/10 (0)
- "State of the art sound"? - Frihed89 02:30:53 09/30/10 (10)
- RE: "State of the art sound"? - das@soundstage.com 08:26:08 09/30/10 (9)
- I'm sure you are right, but some of us may prefer a more vintage sound - Frihed89 00:18:47 10/02/10 (0)
- Is Vivid the new Magico ? - Pinkus 13:09:10 10/01/10 (5)
- RE: Is Vivid the new Magico ? - das@soundstage.com 13:20:39 10/01/10 (4)
- Vivid vs B&W Nautilus? - plantsman 15:00:17 10/02/10 (0)
- RE: Is Vivid the new Magico ? - Pat D 15:43:39 10/01/10 (2)
- RE: Is Vivid the new Magico ? - das@soundstage.com 15:53:26 10/01/10 (1)
- Please be sparing with your praise ..... - Pinkus 09:12:40 10/02/10 (0)
- RE: "State of the art sound"? - MGH 12:10:59 09/30/10 (0)
- RE: "State of the art sound"? - Bob Neill 09:38:11 09/30/10 (0)
- "measurements of all the Wilson speakers, you'll see that they're not only not flat but quite "spiky"" - Pinkus 13:01:48 09/29/10 (1)
- RE: "measurements of all the Wilson speakers, you'll see that they're not only not flat but quite "spiky"" - das@soundstage.com 13:14:26 09/29/10 (0)
- RE: Here's a critic not impressed with some audiophile speakers! - josh358 21:18:35 09/28/10 (11)
- RE: Here's a critic not impressed with some audiophile speakers! - Pat D 21:31:10 09/29/10 (10)
- RE: Here's a critic not impressed with some audiophile speakers! - josh358 06:36:49 09/30/10 (8)
- RE: Here's a critic not impressed with some audiophile speakers! - Pat D 09:04:43 09/30/10 (4)
- RE: Here's a critic not impressed with some audiophile speakers! - josh358 10:02:02 09/30/10 (3)
- RE: Here's a critic not impressed with some audiophile speakers! - Pat D 18:29:38 10/01/10 (2)
- RE: Here's a critic not impressed with some audiophile speakers! - hahax@verizon.net 20:44:58 10/01/10 (0)
- RE: Here's a critic not impressed with some audiophile speakers! - josh358 18:34:46 10/01/10 (0)
- RE: Here's a critic not impressed with some audiophile speakers! - das@soundstage.com 06:46:52 09/30/10 (2)
- RE: Here's a critic not impressed with some audiophile speakers! - josh358 12:01:55 09/30/10 (0)
- RE: Here's a critic not impressed with some audiophile speakers! - Pat D 10:16:00 09/30/10 (0)
- RE: Here's a critic not impressed with some audiophile speakers! - das@soundstage.com 06:02:57 09/30/10 (0)
- so what are schneider's qualifications ? - hifitommy 17:23:12 09/28/10 (9)
- RE: so what are schneider's qualifications ? - RGA 21:54:11 09/28/10 (8)
- ooopsy - hifitommy 06:15:50 09/29/10 (7)
- RE: ooopsy - das@soundstage.com 11:45:27 09/29/10 (6)
- Hey Doug... - RGA 20:37:38 09/29/10 (1)
- RE: Hey Doug... - das@soundstage.com 20:57:36 09/29/10 (0)
- why not make a step response measurement of the wilsons? - jeromelang 19:02:48 09/29/10 (2)
- RE: why not make a step response measurement of the wilsons? - das@soundstage.com 21:02:57 09/29/10 (1)
- RE: why not make a step response measurement of the wilsons? - jeromelang 08:46:14 09/30/10 (0)
- thanks for the clarification - hifitommy 14:18:53 09/29/10 (0)
- It's about time. - robert.gaboury@videotron.ca 15:25:09 09/28/10 (0)
- I get it... - jamesgarvin 10:26:24 09/28/10 (111)
- RE: Actually, you don't... - theaudiohobby 12:55:13 09/28/10 (109)
- Actually, I did not.... - jamesgarvin 08:44:50 09/29/10 (17)
- RE: Actually, I did not.... - Pat D 19:08:03 09/29/10 (16)
- Why are yo impressed by a review when biases are in play when you are usually critical of it? - Analog Scott 09:41:43 09/30/10 (13)
- There are biases and biases. - Pat D 21:26:35 09/30/10 (10)
- "Speaker differences are virtually always audible" - so are electronics. - carcass93 12:18:22 10/01/10 (2)
- You are definitely off topic! (nt) - Pat D 13:56:13 10/01/10 (1)
- You should make United Nations aware of that. Or, alternatively,... - carcass93 14:18:45 10/01/10 (0)
- There are biases and biases and Pat's biases. - Analog Scott 08:58:09 10/01/10 (6)
- You clearly don't understand what I said. - Pat D 09:16:00 10/01/10 (5)
- Always the backpeddle under analysis - E-Stat 16:18:23 10/01/10 (2)
- If only you could think clearly--you know, keeping subjects and predicates of sentences straight, etc. - Pat D 17:25:29 10/01/10 (1)
- You're a trip, Pat - E-Stat 10:50:09 10/03/10 (0)
- Ah same ole B.S. "you don't under stand..." No Pat, youv'e been pegged. Deal with it. nt - Analog Scott 10:06:52 10/01/10 (1)
- I would say you are trying to put a square peg into a round hole. - Pat D 14:07:50 10/01/10 (0)
- Yes: That's at the heart of this unreasonable position - Sordidman 15:20:29 09/30/10 (1)
- You seem confused about something or other. - Pat D 19:30:24 09/30/10 (0)
- RE: Actually, I did not.... - das@soundstage.com 21:23:23 09/29/10 (1)
- RE: Actually, I did not.... - kerr 05:30:11 09/30/10 (0)
- well, at least we know the speakers sound different - Analog Scott 22:50:16 09/28/10 (2)
- RE: I can see that non-sequiturs are the order of the day on this thread -nt - theaudiohobby 02:08:00 09/29/10 (1)
- That may be what you see. - Analog Scott 09:38:32 09/30/10 (0)
- Let's see what's there to (mis)understand: - carcass93 13:45:28 09/28/10 (87)
- RE: You are missing the point - theaudiohobby 21:42:49 09/28/10 (0)
- RE: Let's see what's there to (mis)understand: - Pat D 17:43:57 09/28/10 (85)
- Unless you have listened to the speakers yourself... - mkuller 19:41:14 09/28/10 (84)
- RE: Unless you have listened to the speakers yourself... - JNS 06:45:35 09/29/10 (83)
- What does sighted listening have to do with measurements? - jamesgarvin 09:13:10 09/29/10 (82)
- RE: What does sighted listening have to do with measurements? - Pat D 20:52:59 09/29/10 (81)
- RE: What does sighted listening have to do with measurements? - josh358 13:26:39 09/30/10 (80)
- RE: What does sighted listening have to do with measurements? - Pat D 17:55:38 09/30/10 (79)
- "Sean Olive did some trials with high school students which showed a preference..." - Analog Scott 20:31:05 09/30/10 (7)
- RE: "Sean Olive did some trials with high school students which showed a preference..." - Pat D 07:43:51 10/01/10 (6)
- "Sean Olive maintains that single speaker tests ..." - Sean Olive is wrong. - carcass93 08:24:47 10/01/10 (5)
- Ah, the 'expert' pontificates! - Pat D 09:18:05 10/01/10 (4)
- Uhh... I don't know. It would be better, of course,... - carcass93 12:15:57 10/01/10 (3)
- I've done the dipole thing, son. - Pat D 13:06:05 10/01/10 (2)
- I'm starting to understand now, pops... - carcass93 08:51:57 10/04/10 (0)
- What part of "each" - E-Stat 10:53:28 10/03/10 (0)
- RE: What does sighted listening have to do with measurements? - josh358 20:08:13 09/30/10 (70)
- "I'm not sure what the results say about dipoles" - Analog Scott 20:38:36 09/30/10 (69)
- RE: "I'm not sure what the results say about dipoles" - josh358 07:42:23 10/01/10 (49)
- RE: "I'm not sure what the results say about dipoles" - Analog Scott 09:04:45 10/01/10 (48)
- RE: "I'm not sure what the results say about dipoles" - Pat D 09:34:05 10/01/10 (25)
- No Pat it was not. what don't you understand about what Sean himself said? - Analog Scott 10:10:10 10/01/10 (24)
- Nothing about distances from the walls here! - Pat D 07:41:46 10/02/10 (0)
- I did quote what Sean Olive said about it. Get a grip! - Pat D 12:38:53 10/01/10 (20)
- I think you have lost it - Analog Scott 16:25:05 10/01/10 (19)
- Ah, another expert pontificates. - Pat D 17:00:28 10/01/10 (18)
- Pat, do you use two speakers for stereo playback? nt - Analog Scott 17:17:34 10/01/10 (17)
- Of course. - Pat D 17:30:32 10/01/10 (16)
- but why? "Using two speakers is not going to change how the speaker performs." nt - Analog Scott 18:09:14 10/01/10 (15)
- Because I usually listen in stereo! Why don't you make some sense? - Pat D 18:27:39 10/01/10 (14)
- If as you say "Using two speakers is not going to change how the speaker performs." how does stereo matter? - Analog Scott 18:32:30 10/01/10 (13)
- One speaker is not two speakers. You are getting totally irrational. - Pat D 19:10:06 10/01/10 (12)
- Then we must conclude - E-Stat 07:30:51 10/03/10 (8)
- That is not the logical conclusion. - Pat D 10:28:20 10/03/10 (7)
- "He concluded, correctly..." - E-Stat 10:46:33 10/03/10 (6)
- I already said that. - Pat D 14:15:38 10/03/10 (5)
- Then we must conclude - E-Stat 15:45:37 10/03/10 (4)
- How so? - Pat D 16:39:08 10/03/10 (3)
- Round in circles, round in circles - E-Stat 18:01:36 10/03/10 (2)
- Yet another one quoting out of context. - Pat D 11:16:54 10/04/10 (1)
- You keep chasing your tail my friend -nt - E-Stat 12:03:50 10/04/10 (0)
- That is not an answer to the question. try again if you like. nt - Analog Scott 22:27:39 10/01/10 (2)
- I answered the question you asked above . . . - Pat D 07:51:25 10/02/10 (1)
- No you didn't. nt - Analog Scott 08:02:10 10/02/10 (0)
- I was just going to warn you that Pat is one post away from going on his usual... - carcass93 12:28:14 10/01/10 (1)
- this time he can't deal with what Olive himself said about his tests. I'd say he's gone full on dellusional. - Analog Scott 16:09:07 10/01/10 (0)
- RE: "I'm not sure what the results say about dipoles" - josh358 09:32:44 10/01/10 (21)
- RE: "I'm not sure what the results say about dipoles" - Analog Scott 10:11:01 10/01/10 (20)
- Olive has no concern whatsoever - E-Stat 16:29:14 10/01/10 (19)
- RE: Olive has no concern whatsoever - josh358 16:46:11 10/01/10 (16)
- RE: Olive has no concern whatsoever - Pat D 17:05:02 10/01/10 (15)
- RE: Olive has no concern whatsoever - josh358 17:21:50 10/01/10 (14)
- RE: Olive has no concern whatsoever - Pat D 17:39:19 10/01/10 (13)
- Toole seems to disagree with Olive - josh358 20:08:58 10/01/10 (11)
- Checkmate -nt - E-Stat 08:48:14 10/02/10 (6)
- More like a stalemate. - Pat D 10:41:19 10/03/10 (4)
- Further - E-Stat 11:14:50 10/03/10 (3)
- RE: Further - Pat D 14:26:41 10/03/10 (2)
- Your only problem - E-Stat 15:46:57 10/03/10 (1)
- RE: Your only problem - Pat D 16:41:16 10/03/10 (0)
- RE: Checkmate -nt - josh358 10:21:48 10/02/10 (0)
- RE: Toole seems to disagree with Olive - Pat D 20:26:58 10/01/10 (3)
- RE: Toole seems to disagree with Olive - josh358 20:49:33 10/01/10 (2)
- RE: Toole seems to disagree with Olive - Pat D 08:48:13 10/02/10 (1)
- RE: Toole seems to disagree with Olive - josh358 09:48:47 10/02/10 (0)
- To quote Pat "So why don't you want to discuss Sean Olive's opinions?" - Analog Scott 18:13:49 10/01/10 (0)
- Hysterical!!! - Analog Scott 16:44:03 10/01/10 (1)
- Darn it! - E-Stat 17:55:20 10/01/10 (0)
- RE: "I'm not sure what the results say about dipoles" - Pat D 21:31:58 09/30/10 (18)
- Pat, you might want to reference the original article - Analog Scott 09:02:52 10/01/10 (17)
- The M-L was placed according the manufacturer's instructions. - Pat D 09:31:40 10/01/10 (16)
- I don't see that anywhere in the post you linked. - Analog Scott 10:16:44 10/01/10 (15)
- RE: I don't see that anywhere in the post you linked. - thetubeguy1954 11:18:19 10/04/10 (0)
- That's because you didn't look at the thread at Audioholics. - Pat D 13:01:09 10/01/10 (13)
- RE: That's because you didn't look at the thread at Audioholics. - josh358 17:32:23 10/01/10 (0)
- Not only did I look at your link, I cut and pasted the contents. - Analog Scott 16:17:07 10/01/10 (4)
- I expect Sean Olive knows a lot more about testing speakers than you do. - Pat D 16:55:05 10/01/10 (3)
- I expect Sean Olive correctly reported how the speakers were positioned in his blog - Analog Scott 18:34:41 10/01/10 (2)
- On his blog, how far did he say the speakers were from the walls? - Pat D 19:16:41 10/01/10 (1)
- Pat I gave you the relevant quotes. If you can't see the answers for yourself I can't help you. nt - Analog Scott 22:31:12 10/01/10 (0)
- I've read that BS before. Makes AJinFLA look sane in comparison. - carcass93 13:55:19 10/01/10 (6)
- So why don't you want to discuss Sean Olive's opinions? - Pat D 14:00:11 10/01/10 (5)
- What are you responding to? - carcass93 14:13:33 10/01/10 (4)
- Some of your usual name-calling. - Pat D 14:28:00 10/01/10 (3)
- During these 10 years, have you tried using them both, in stereo? N/T - carcass93 08:54:15 10/04/10 (2)
- You must be confusing me with someone else. (nt) - Pat D 13:01:48 10/04/10 (0)
- RE: During these 10 years, have you tried using them both, in stereo? N/T - thetubeguy1954 11:37:42 10/04/10 (0)
- And the best thing is - there's no need to listen, to agree or disagree. - carcass93 10:57:01 09/28/10 (0)
- Unfortunately he did his auditions under sighted conditions - Analog Scott 10:05:03 09/28/10 (7)
- RE: Unfortunately he did his auditions under sighted conditions - das@soundstage.com 13:16:42 09/29/10 (6)
- RE: Unfortunately he did his auditions under sighted conditions - josh358 08:00:27 10/01/10 (4)
- "Why doesn't the audiophile press do more blind tests?" - Analog Scott 16:47:49 10/01/10 (3)
- RE: "Why doesn't the audiophile press do more blind tests?" - josh358 17:50:34 10/01/10 (2)
- RE: "Why doesn't the audiophile press do more blind tests?" - Pat D 13:30:59 10/07/10 (1)
- RE: "Why doesn't the audiophile press do more blind tests?" - josh358 14:19:40 10/07/10 (0)
- RE: Unfortunately he did his auditions under sighted conditions - Analog Scott 18:02:53 09/30/10 (0)
- There's not a single critic who's impressed with ALL audiophile speakers. - carcass93 09:02:11 09/28/10 (0)
Follow Ups
- Pat, do you use two speakers for stereo playback? nt - Analog Scott 17:17:34 10/01/10 (17)
- Of course. - Pat D 17:30:32 10/01/10 (16)
- but why? "Using two speakers is not going to change how the speaker performs." nt - Analog Scott 18:09:14 10/01/10 (15)
- Because I usually listen in stereo! Why don't you make some sense? - Pat D 18:27:39 10/01/10 (14)
- If as you say "Using two speakers is not going to change how the speaker performs." how does stereo matter? - Analog Scott 18:32:30 10/01/10 (13)
- One speaker is not two speakers. You are getting totally irrational. - Pat D 19:10:06 10/01/10 (12)
- Then we must conclude - E-Stat 07:30:51 10/03/10 (8)
- That is not the logical conclusion. - Pat D 10:28:20 10/03/10 (7)
- "He concluded, correctly..." - E-Stat 10:46:33 10/03/10 (6)
- I already said that. - Pat D 14:15:38 10/03/10 (5)
- Then we must conclude - E-Stat 15:45:37 10/03/10 (4)
- How so? - Pat D 16:39:08 10/03/10 (3)
- Round in circles, round in circles - E-Stat 18:01:36 10/03/10 (2)
- Yet another one quoting out of context. - Pat D 11:16:54 10/04/10 (1)
- You keep chasing your tail my friend -nt - E-Stat 12:03:50 10/04/10 (0)
- That is not an answer to the question. try again if you like. nt - Analog Scott 22:27:39 10/01/10 (2)
- I answered the question you asked above . . . - Pat D 07:51:25 10/02/10 (1)
- No you didn't. nt - Analog Scott 08:02:10 10/02/10 (0)