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In Reply to: RE: Confusion at MX110 12AX7 tube results posted by airtime on December 29, 2016 at 07:43:40
Well it was purchased from Audio Classics in 2012 with Richard Modafferi. So everything works as it should.
I suppose the problem here is my confusion at what is said for the Tung Sols to sound like (lively and chimey) don't in the phono section yet do in the line stage. It is pulling my hair out because being circuit dependent, it doesn't help with strategizing tube purchases when this happens. BTW it sounded less strident than the Gold Lions in the phono section here.
Yes I suppose I could post this in the Mac section over there, but this needs knowledge of tubes and how they work in various circuits to uncrack for me. The lads over there are very good and I might just do that right after this, but seeing as this is where the tube experts live, I am confident you all can help.
Btw in the MC240, the Gold Lion provided a deeper smoother soundstage than a ribbed Telefunken. That was a surprise.
See? Everything is all upside down. Plus the naysayers who say that current tubes aren't a patch on old stuff confuses me. I tried a Mullard 161 and a 163 in the line stage in the 110 and they were strident and shrill compared to the Gold Lions.
I am wondering how a Mullard reissue in the phono section might work against the Tung Sols. I can't predict because it seems that down is up in that different applications...
Paul
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All of the Russian reissues have the same house sound, IME. There is a shading of bright to dark among them however. The TS reissues tended to have the brightest sound, and the GL's the darkest sound. With the Mullards being in the middle. To my ear there is only a small difference among them from top to bottom, and again, they all have the same basic house-sound. In the end I much preferred the sound of the JJ's in my CAT SL1 Renaissance. Using their 6922's and their ECC803s in the CAT and could not be happier with them.
Best of luck finding a combo that does it for you. The hunt can be fun if you'll let it be.
How did the JJ sound in comparison to the house sound of the New Swnsor stuff? Particularly the 803s?
Paul
In general, smoother, more natural sounding than the Ruskies. More holographic in their presentation. The JJ's may have more midrange emphasis, which is not to say they lack anything at frequency extremes, but I feel it gives them a more lifelike presentation. I went through a period where I tried nearly every one of the New Sensor reissues including the TS 803s. In the end none of them satisfied. They all left me wanting. To say they disappointed would not be fair at all, as they are all competent performers. They just didn't scratch my itch the way the JJ's do. I read someplace that much of the tooling JJ uses came from Telefunken. Comparing the sound of the JJ 6922's to my coveted stash of Tele 6922's I have no problem believing that story about the tooling. They are VERY close. I've also read comments of others likening the sound of the JJ 803 to the Tele. However I have no Tele 12AX or 803 examples in my collection from which I can pass on any personal experience on that. At roughly $25 a piece for the JJ 803s, it's not much to venture to find out.
Hey, don't underestimate those guys over at AK. They now that stereo and they know that circuit design. And they also have a good knowledge of how that piece fits in with other gear like speakers!!!
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