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OK, I'm going to post this once and for all. Here's how I treat my crystals: mineral oil. FWIW, Alan Maher told me this is NOT his "liquid" treatment, so please don't confuse my method with his (and both work).
There are several reasons for using this substance, but in the end the proof is in the pudding, and this treatment proves out repeatedly in my and others' systems.
You can simply soak your crystals in cold or warmed mineral oil. You probably get more absorption more rapidly in warmed oil. Al Sekela liked to "cook" his slowly in a crock pot over days, while I simply soak mine for minutes and then drain them in a kitchen strainer. Up to your taste and patience. I'm not sure there is a big difference there.
Drain them and you can leave them to dry, but be aware that mineral oil dries extremely slowly, which is another reason it works so well in this application. To keep things from getting messy, I put my wet crystals in either Saran Wrap or a baggie or both in my applications. Any leakage is only a cosmetic issue, as it's not an electrical issue to worry about at all.
FWIW, I did not invent this. I came upon it independently when specifically researching treatments for crystals after a theoretical discussion with Al Sekela about what physical/chemical characteristics would work in such a piezo application for RFI filtering by crystals. (Crystals have been a known radio frequency filtering tweak in ham radio for decades. It's only new to audio folks.) I found via Web searching extensively that mineral oil was used to shine up crystals in this manner; then checking up on the electrical, physical and chemical characteristics of mineral oil I realized that it could be ONE of the ideal treatments for this audio application of crystals. Al agreed in theory; I tried it and we proved that it worked and improved sound of crystal tweaks in both our systems.
Originally one of the "Paul" guys and Unclestu (I think) published using mineral oil for a different reason. They posted on Iso a couple of years ago, but I had not read that before coming upon this treatment on my own. I don't claim any invention rights for this!
Mineral oil is cheap and readily available at every pharmacy. It's a petroleum distillate related to paraffin; in fact it's sometimes called "liquid paraffin", and paraffin will dissolve sort of in the mineral oil if heated long enough. FYI, it's not toxic; it used to be drunk to ease bowel movements, which is why you find it at pharmacies.
Mineral oil acts as a NON-conductive coolant and mechanical/electrical damper. It will dissipate the heat and vibrations from the piezo crystals when they deform, which is the principle I'm using here. It is safe around electrical stuff. In fact, there are computer applications that dunk the whole computer into the mineral oil (like a fish tank) to cool the computer while it operates.
I do not subscribe to Unclestu's (this yours Stu on Iso???) idea that it "floats" the crystals. This is not the operative principle here.
But whatever theory you ascribe to this treatment, it works, and it improves the performance of the various silicate crystals as an RFI filter in audio.
FWIW, the crystals I've used successfully are: amethyst; pink, green and black tourmaline; rose, clear and yellow quartz; topaz; and silica gel in that order of descending impact and preference. These are all silicates, all piezoelectric, and some may be additionaly pyroelectric. Your taste and situation may differ, of course. And I do mix them all in most applications these days, with no downside as yet. There are other piezoelectric and pyroelectric crystals you can try and if not too expensive I may eventually try. The only other known piezo crystal I tried with zero sonic impact was pure cane sugar (yep, the stuff you put in your coffee that has been a known piezo for a helluva long time.)
There you have it.
For those who demand links to "scientific proof", I say, "I don't got to show you no steenkeeng badges!" Go do your own research or don't darken my doorstep!
Have fun, amigos.
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Topic - Treating crystals - my method. - bartc 09:24:04 03/13/11 (55)
- RE: Treating crystals - my method. - H5011 12:27:45 03/21/11 (1)
- Glad you found the benefits! Keep playing. nt - bartc 12:37:24 03/21/11 (0)
- RE: Treating crystals - my method. - LewinskiH01 15:16:24 03/16/11 (0)
- Could we get some pics please? - vital ital 06:02:00 03/15/11 (2)
- Posted earlier - bartc 06:14:38 03/15/11 (1)
- Thank you! nt - vital ital 07:45:04 03/15/11 (0)
- RE: Treating crystals - my method. - Dawnrazor 20:04:34 03/14/11 (1)
- Wasn't really sure - bartc 20:41:24 03/14/11 (0)
- Mineral oil - unclestu 14:29:14 03/14/11 (5)
- As I said, Uncle - bartc 18:57:35 03/14/11 (4)
- RE: As I said, Uncle - unclestu 16:59:34 03/15/11 (3)
- What I have and have not seen or tried myself - bartc 17:26:10 03/15/11 (2)
- Imagine your - unclestu 13:07:06 03/16/11 (1)
- I understand - bartc 14:59:36 03/16/11 (0)
- Gracias! Good, useful, practical, sensible and...clear... advise... - musetap 09:27:46 03/14/11 (0)
- Great post, here's Al's method - Awe-d-o-file 09:07:23 03/14/11 (1)
- CAUTION - there can be flammability issues - bartc 18:59:39 03/14/11 (0)
- WHOA! - Jagdeep 02:15:14 03/14/11 (0)
- RE: Treating crystals - my method. - diyaudiophile 01:23:03 03/14/11 (0)
- RE: Thanks for posting your treatment - benie 19:12:22 03/13/11 (12)
- RE: Thanks for posting your treatment - Jack D II 19:58:42 03/13/11 (11)
- RE: Thanks for posting your treatment - benie 21:12:32 03/13/11 (10)
- try - unclestu 18:04:13 03/14/11 (9)
- RE: OK, I tried it ! - benie 21:09:49 03/15/11 (5)
- Glad to be of help..... - unclestu 13:17:52 03/16/11 (1)
- RE: Glad to be of help..... - benie 04:01:27 03/18/11 (0)
- Makes sense to me - geoffkait 11:07:29 03/16/11 (2)
- RE: Makes sense to me - benie 23:51:20 03/18/11 (1)
- RE: Makes sense to me - geoffkait 15:41:04 03/19/11 (0)
- RE: try - benie 22:11:42 03/14/11 (2)
- amethyst and citrine - bartc 06:16:05 03/15/11 (1)
- RE: amethyst and citrine - benie 17:33:12 03/15/11 (0)
- gracias. nt - speyer 17:39:38 03/13/11 (0)
- RE: Treating crystals - my method. - Rob F 15:37:38 03/13/11 (1)
- There was a reason. nt - bartc 17:18:20 03/13/11 (0)
- RE: Treating crystals - my method. - rick_m 11:58:38 03/13/11 (17)
- I had read this in my Web research. - bartc 15:14:31 03/13/11 (11)
- RE: I had read this in my Web research. - rick_m 20:48:13 03/13/11 (7)
- A couple of comments from a ham - Awe-d-o-file 15:24:22 03/14/11 (5)
- RE: A couple of comments from a ham - rick_m 16:18:07 03/14/11 (4)
- Nice post! - Awe-d-o-file 06:19:17 03/15/11 (0)
- Of audibility and measurement - bartc 19:04:17 03/14/11 (2)
- RE: Of audibility and measurement - Ivan Beaver 04:56:21 03/15/11 (1)
- You're late to the Doubting Thomas party - bartc 06:19:34 03/15/11 (0)
- I understood your point - bartc 06:21:28 03/14/11 (0)
- RE: I had read this in my Web research. - Ivan Beaver 17:19:44 03/13/11 (2)
- Ivan, do your own homework - bartc 17:22:47 03/13/11 (1)
- Exactly what I was talking about - Ivan Beaver 04:50:25 03/14/11 (0)
- Uh, oh, big trouble in little China. :-) nt - geoffkait 13:26:12 03/13/11 (4)
- " Shirley Maclaine Effect " - FenderLover 15:32:37 03/13/11 (3)
- RE: " Shirley Maclaine Effect " - geoffkait 15:58:21 03/13/11 (2)
- RE: " Shirley Maclaine Effect " - rick_m 21:03:44 03/13/11 (1)
- RE: " Shirley Maclaine Effect " - geoffkait 03:50:38 03/14/11 (0)
- Thanks...nt - rwiley 11:07:00 03/13/11 (0)
- RE: Treating crystals - my method. - Jack D II 10:53:04 03/13/11 (0)